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THE Freemasons' Magazine , which has for a long time been in a failing condition , has been bought by the Executive . THE CONSTITUTIONS of the G . L . of CANADA are before us . They are founded on our own , with some great improvements howeveramong which may be

, reckoned the election of the P . G . Masters by their P . G . Lodges , and the appointment of a certain proportion of Grand Officers , by the G . L . Both these provisions are necessary for the independence of G . L . and of the P . G . L . ' s THE able report of Bros . LTALL and SYMONDS shows

that the CENTRAL CHARITIES are not supported as they ought to be by the Provinces . It must , however , be borne in mind , that so long as the Country Masons are taxed with their expences to , from , and in London , before they can take any part in the Government of the Craftthey have less money to

, spend in aid of the Charities than their more favoured London brethren . While those who object to centralization , like the G . L . of Devon , may . not unfairly think that local Masonic Charities have an equal though not a greater claim , with those in London upon their support .

THE unprecedented success that has attended the first Biennial Festival of the BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION , and which is owing not more to the ability of the Chairman , than to the just popularity of the Charity , leads us to hope that it will henceforth be placed on a par with the others , by an Annual Meeting .

WE rejoice to see that a desire is spreading among the leading MARK LODGES meeting under Scotch Warrants , for union with the Mark G . L . of England .

United Grand Lodge Of England.

UNITED GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND .

[ Published by the permission of the M . IV . the G . M ., upon the Publisher ' s responsibility for the accuracy of the report ] QUARTERLY COMMUNICATION . On the evening of the 2 nd inst ., the usual quarterly communication of the United Grand Lodge of England , was held at the Freemasons' Hall , Groat Queen Street , the M . W . G . M . the Earl of Zetland on the throne ; supported by Bro . Sir Lucius Curtis , Prov .

G . M . for Hampshire , as D . G . M . ; Bro . Portal , G . J . W ., as G . S . W . j Bro . Fenwick , P . G . S . W ., as G . J . W . ; Bro . S . Tomkins , G . Treas . ; Bros , the Rev . E . Moove and Rev . Arthur R . Ward , G . Chaps . ; Bro . Francis Roxburgh , G . Reg . ; Bro Harris , P . G . D ., President of the Board of General Purposes ; Bro . William Gray Clarke , G . Sec ; Bro . Henry L . Cowlin , G . Sec . for General Correspondence ; Bro . W . Pulteny Scott , S . G . D . ; Bro . Hopwood , J . G . D . ; Bro . S . W . Dankes , G . Sup . of Works ; Bro . Jenning , G . D . C . ; Bro . Albert W . Woods , Asst . G . D . C . ; Bro . LI . Evans , P . G . S . B ., as G . L . B . ;

Bro . Farnfield , Asst . G . See . ; Bro . Jos . Smith , G . Prust ., —; Bros , the Marquis of Harlington , Prov . G . M ., Derbyshire ; A . Dobie , P . G . Reg . and Prov . G M ., Surrey ; Purton Cooper , Prov . G . M ., Kent ; II . Vernon , Prov . G . M ., Worcestershire ; Capt . Clarke , Prov . G . M ., Victoria ; H . A . Bovvyer , Prov . G . M ., Oxfordshire ; — Fawcett , Prov . G . M ., Durham ; Bro . the Chevalier B . Helcler , Rep . from the G . Lodge of Berlin ; Bros . Dundas and Pattison , P . G . W . ' s ; Bros , the Rev . Sir W . Hayes and Rev . J . E . Cox , P . G . Chaps . Bro . the Rev . W . H . Whitei PGSecBrosPhili

; .. ; . ppe , Fandel , Potter , Nelson , I-lervey , J . N . Tomkins , and S . B . Wilson , P . G . D . 's ; Bro . T . Chapman , Asst . G . D . C . ; Bros . Le Veau , Walmsley , Charles Elkington , Spiers , and Mason , P . G . S . B . 's ; Bro . Brietling , P . G . Purst ., & c , & c , ; , there being about three hundred Brethren present . The minutes of the last Grand Lodge having been read ,

The M . W . Grand Master said—Brethren , before I put the minutes for confirmation , I wish to make one or two remarks in relation to what passed at the last meeting of Grand Lodge . Before doing that , however , I beg to inform Grand Lodge , that I have received a letter from the D . G . Master stating that he is at present in a state of deep affliction at the loss of his only brother . You will all , I know , sympathise with him in his sad affliction , and deem it quite sufficient excuse for his absence from Grand Lodge . At

the last Grand Lodge a question was asked me by Bro . Savage , which I promised to take into my consideration , and answer at this Grand Lodge . The question which Bro . Savage asked me was , whether it was competent for a brother , on the motion for the confirmation of the minutes , to move in regard to any particular resolution on those minutes that it be divided , that is , that we should adopt one part , and not adopt another ? It is a case which has never in my recollection occurred before , except on one occasionwhen I may say Grand Lodge was taken by surprise .. I

, promised Grand Lodge that I should give the question my best consideration . I have , therefore , since thought over it , and wished to guide my opinion by parliamentary practice in analogous cases ; but I find our practice here is so little analogous to that which is pursued in the legislature , that I could derive no assistance from parliamentary usage . I have had , therefore , to consider what would be for the convenience of GrandLodgo , andhave come to the conclusion , that it would be very inconvenient to permit such a practice , and ,

unless under a positive order of Grand Lodge , I should not like a resolution to be divided . It must be passed as a whole , or rejected as a whole . I have come to this conclusion , because it is the one most convenient to Grand Lodge ; and I believe the brethren will , when they consider the subject carefully , find out that the determination at which I have arrived , will best suit the convenience of all parties in carrying forward the business of Grand Lodge . I now put the minutes of the last Grand Lodge for confirmation . Bro . Rev . G . R . PORTAL saidit was Ms painful duty to move the

, non-confirmation of so much of the minutes as related to the recognition of the Grand Lodge of Canada West . His reasons for doing so were , that when the Canadian brethren received the notification of the resolution passed at the last Grand Lod ge , they immediately met , and refused to accept a favour which limited the jurisdiction of the new Grand Lodge to Canada . West ,

whereas the two provinces had , by the acts of the imperial and colonial legislatures , become fused into one ever since 1843 , while in all their official acts and arrangements , the Grand Lodge of Canada had laid equal claim to the jurisdiction over both West and East . At this moment there were only six Lodges in Lower Canada , holding from the Grand Lodge of England , and some of these were very shaky in their allegiance , while the Grand Lodge of Canada had twelve . He was not aware whether the information which had been lied to himwas in the hands of the Executivebefore

supp , , the last Grand Lodge , but if so , Grand Lodge was , he thought , unfairly treated in being called upon to pass a resolution giving only limited jurisdiction to the new Grand Lodge . If it had not been in their hands at the last meeting of the Grand Lod ge , he was sure the resolution would not have been adopted , and it only showed the wisdom of the advice which he had given them , to wait and see how they could most effectually hold out the right hand of fellowship to their Canadian brethren . The

only step which was now consistent with the dignity of Grand Lodge , was to refrain from offering to the Masons of Canada what they would not accept at the hands of Grand Lodge . Bro . Lord HOLMESBALE seconded the motion of Bro . Portal , as it was not right that meeting should insult the Canadian Brethren , by confirming a proposition which they had formally declared they could not accept , and thus throw down the apple of discord between the Craft in both countries . Bro . GREGORY considered that the motion of Bro . Portal was

most inopportune . They had on the paper a notice that the M . W . the Grand Blaster was about to communicate to Grand Lod ge the correspondence which had taken place between himself and the Canadian Brethren . He wished , for the sake of regularity in Grand Lodge , that Bro . Portal had reserved his observations on the subject until Grand Lodge had heard what the W . M . the Grand Master had to lay before it . What they had heard from Bro . Portal , they would , he thought , have heard better and more appropriately from the M . W . the Grand Master . He denied that the Canadian

Masons looked upon the resolution of last Grand Lodge in the light of an insult ; but it must , he thought , be a matter of astonishment to all the Brethren , both here and in Canada , to find that the very Brother who , on the last occasion , had on the paper a notice of motion tantamount to the resolution then placed before them by the M . W . the Grand Master , should be the one who now proposed

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Ar00401

THE Freemasons' Magazine , which has for a long time been in a failing condition , has been bought by the Executive . THE CONSTITUTIONS of the G . L . of CANADA are before us . They are founded on our own , with some great improvements howeveramong which may be

, reckoned the election of the P . G . Masters by their P . G . Lodges , and the appointment of a certain proportion of Grand Officers , by the G . L . Both these provisions are necessary for the independence of G . L . and of the P . G . L . ' s THE able report of Bros . LTALL and SYMONDS shows

that the CENTRAL CHARITIES are not supported as they ought to be by the Provinces . It must , however , be borne in mind , that so long as the Country Masons are taxed with their expences to , from , and in London , before they can take any part in the Government of the Craftthey have less money to

, spend in aid of the Charities than their more favoured London brethren . While those who object to centralization , like the G . L . of Devon , may . not unfairly think that local Masonic Charities have an equal though not a greater claim , with those in London upon their support .

THE unprecedented success that has attended the first Biennial Festival of the BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION , and which is owing not more to the ability of the Chairman , than to the just popularity of the Charity , leads us to hope that it will henceforth be placed on a par with the others , by an Annual Meeting .

WE rejoice to see that a desire is spreading among the leading MARK LODGES meeting under Scotch Warrants , for union with the Mark G . L . of England .

United Grand Lodge Of England.

UNITED GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND .

[ Published by the permission of the M . IV . the G . M ., upon the Publisher ' s responsibility for the accuracy of the report ] QUARTERLY COMMUNICATION . On the evening of the 2 nd inst ., the usual quarterly communication of the United Grand Lodge of England , was held at the Freemasons' Hall , Groat Queen Street , the M . W . G . M . the Earl of Zetland on the throne ; supported by Bro . Sir Lucius Curtis , Prov .

G . M . for Hampshire , as D . G . M . ; Bro . Portal , G . J . W ., as G . S . W . j Bro . Fenwick , P . G . S . W ., as G . J . W . ; Bro . S . Tomkins , G . Treas . ; Bros , the Rev . E . Moove and Rev . Arthur R . Ward , G . Chaps . ; Bro . Francis Roxburgh , G . Reg . ; Bro Harris , P . G . D ., President of the Board of General Purposes ; Bro . William Gray Clarke , G . Sec ; Bro . Henry L . Cowlin , G . Sec . for General Correspondence ; Bro . W . Pulteny Scott , S . G . D . ; Bro . Hopwood , J . G . D . ; Bro . S . W . Dankes , G . Sup . of Works ; Bro . Jenning , G . D . C . ; Bro . Albert W . Woods , Asst . G . D . C . ; Bro . LI . Evans , P . G . S . B ., as G . L . B . ;

Bro . Farnfield , Asst . G . See . ; Bro . Jos . Smith , G . Prust ., —; Bros , the Marquis of Harlington , Prov . G . M ., Derbyshire ; A . Dobie , P . G . Reg . and Prov . G M ., Surrey ; Purton Cooper , Prov . G . M ., Kent ; II . Vernon , Prov . G . M ., Worcestershire ; Capt . Clarke , Prov . G . M ., Victoria ; H . A . Bovvyer , Prov . G . M ., Oxfordshire ; — Fawcett , Prov . G . M ., Durham ; Bro . the Chevalier B . Helcler , Rep . from the G . Lodge of Berlin ; Bros . Dundas and Pattison , P . G . W . ' s ; Bros , the Rev . Sir W . Hayes and Rev . J . E . Cox , P . G . Chaps . Bro . the Rev . W . H . Whitei PGSecBrosPhili

; .. ; . ppe , Fandel , Potter , Nelson , I-lervey , J . N . Tomkins , and S . B . Wilson , P . G . D . 's ; Bro . T . Chapman , Asst . G . D . C . ; Bros . Le Veau , Walmsley , Charles Elkington , Spiers , and Mason , P . G . S . B . 's ; Bro . Brietling , P . G . Purst ., & c , & c , ; , there being about three hundred Brethren present . The minutes of the last Grand Lodge having been read ,

The M . W . Grand Master said—Brethren , before I put the minutes for confirmation , I wish to make one or two remarks in relation to what passed at the last meeting of Grand Lodge . Before doing that , however , I beg to inform Grand Lodge , that I have received a letter from the D . G . Master stating that he is at present in a state of deep affliction at the loss of his only brother . You will all , I know , sympathise with him in his sad affliction , and deem it quite sufficient excuse for his absence from Grand Lodge . At

the last Grand Lodge a question was asked me by Bro . Savage , which I promised to take into my consideration , and answer at this Grand Lodge . The question which Bro . Savage asked me was , whether it was competent for a brother , on the motion for the confirmation of the minutes , to move in regard to any particular resolution on those minutes that it be divided , that is , that we should adopt one part , and not adopt another ? It is a case which has never in my recollection occurred before , except on one occasionwhen I may say Grand Lodge was taken by surprise .. I

, promised Grand Lodge that I should give the question my best consideration . I have , therefore , since thought over it , and wished to guide my opinion by parliamentary practice in analogous cases ; but I find our practice here is so little analogous to that which is pursued in the legislature , that I could derive no assistance from parliamentary usage . I have had , therefore , to consider what would be for the convenience of GrandLodgo , andhave come to the conclusion , that it would be very inconvenient to permit such a practice , and ,

unless under a positive order of Grand Lodge , I should not like a resolution to be divided . It must be passed as a whole , or rejected as a whole . I have come to this conclusion , because it is the one most convenient to Grand Lodge ; and I believe the brethren will , when they consider the subject carefully , find out that the determination at which I have arrived , will best suit the convenience of all parties in carrying forward the business of Grand Lodge . I now put the minutes of the last Grand Lodge for confirmation . Bro . Rev . G . R . PORTAL saidit was Ms painful duty to move the

, non-confirmation of so much of the minutes as related to the recognition of the Grand Lodge of Canada West . His reasons for doing so were , that when the Canadian brethren received the notification of the resolution passed at the last Grand Lod ge , they immediately met , and refused to accept a favour which limited the jurisdiction of the new Grand Lodge to Canada . West ,

whereas the two provinces had , by the acts of the imperial and colonial legislatures , become fused into one ever since 1843 , while in all their official acts and arrangements , the Grand Lodge of Canada had laid equal claim to the jurisdiction over both West and East . At this moment there were only six Lodges in Lower Canada , holding from the Grand Lodge of England , and some of these were very shaky in their allegiance , while the Grand Lodge of Canada had twelve . He was not aware whether the information which had been lied to himwas in the hands of the Executivebefore

supp , , the last Grand Lodge , but if so , Grand Lodge was , he thought , unfairly treated in being called upon to pass a resolution giving only limited jurisdiction to the new Grand Lodge . If it had not been in their hands at the last meeting of the Grand Lod ge , he was sure the resolution would not have been adopted , and it only showed the wisdom of the advice which he had given them , to wait and see how they could most effectually hold out the right hand of fellowship to their Canadian brethren . The

only step which was now consistent with the dignity of Grand Lodge , was to refrain from offering to the Masons of Canada what they would not accept at the hands of Grand Lodge . Bro . Lord HOLMESBALE seconded the motion of Bro . Portal , as it was not right that meeting should insult the Canadian Brethren , by confirming a proposition which they had formally declared they could not accept , and thus throw down the apple of discord between the Craft in both countries . Bro . GREGORY considered that the motion of Bro . Portal was

most inopportune . They had on the paper a notice that the M . W . the Grand Blaster was about to communicate to Grand Lod ge the correspondence which had taken place between himself and the Canadian Brethren . He wished , for the sake of regularity in Grand Lodge , that Bro . Portal had reserved his observations on the subject until Grand Lodge had heard what the W . M . the Grand Master had to lay before it . What they had heard from Bro . Portal , they would , he thought , have heard better and more appropriately from the M . W . the Grand Master . He denied that the Canadian

Masons looked upon the resolution of last Grand Lodge in the light of an insult ; but it must , he thought , be a matter of astonishment to all the Brethren , both here and in Canada , to find that the very Brother who , on the last occasion , had on the paper a notice of motion tantamount to the resolution then placed before them by the M . W . the Grand Master , should be the one who now proposed

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