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G BAND LODGE was presided over bytheM . W . G . M ., ~ r arid there was a very large attendance of Brethren . . The Bev . Bro . PORTAL , opposed the confirmation of the resolution confining the jurisdiction ' of the G . L . of Canada , to Canada-. West . ' That G . L . had always claimed both provinces , and they had passed a vote refusing to admit any limitation of their just claims .

LORD HOLMESDALE ably , seconded the motion , which was opposed by Bros . GREGORY and SLIGHT , two expectants . of the purple , who repeated the speeches which they delivered at the last G . L ; : Bro . WHITMORE was averse to making an offer which it was known the Canadians would not accept . "He

believed the Executive were acquainted with these facts before last G . L ., if so , they had acted most improperly in concealing them from " G . L . This dilemma clearlyshewed the folly of their precipitancy . , Bro . BINCKES thought they should rescind a resolu tion which forced the Canadians that which they

upon realised to ' accept . ' ... ' - Bro . HAVERS said that the G . L . of Canada accepted ' the recognition that had been offered , but wished their limited jurisdiction extended ; . this the . G . M . was prepared to . grant . - - ,, y ¦ : ¦ - ' . - " . ;¦ . ' -.. ' ¦ ¦ rj ' - ¦; .-.

The motion was then negatived . . ! :-. ' - ; . . Bro . WHITMORE , in a very clear and''able , speech ; drew the attention of G . L . to the refusal of the G . M . in December , to put his amendment that the building scheme of the Board of General Purposes , should be referred to a special committee , in place of to themselves . A law had been made in September and

confirmed in December , permitting any relevant amendment to be made to any report before G . L . and yet the G . M . had refused to put this amendment which he maintained was relevant , thereby invading the prerogatives of G . L . The worthy brother was frequently interrupted during his speech by the partizans of the Executiveto whom

, truths so honestly told were no doubt both strange and unpalatable . The M . W . GRAND MASTER said he was confident that his decision had been correct . The constitutions gave to the Board of General Purposes , the direction of these matters which it was proposed to entrust to a

special Committee , but this involved an alteration of the law , which could only be done after regular notice . The correspondence between the G . L . and the G . L . of CANADA was then read , and the G . M . stated his mind thereupon . He said that he was prepared to recommend G . L . to concede the jurisdiction over Canada East , that

[ he . believed the P . G . M . of Quebec -would resigriy arid if ( the English lodges still existing were acknowledged ,, he would engag ' e ' tho t no nesjwarrants would-be issued from ; ] England . ; He would himself undertake the' necessarynegotiations for placing matters on an amicable . footing , " or a special G . L ' . -would be , summoned . for . conducting ; them . if it . were desired . : •'; .:. - ; . ; - ' . ! : - : '

Bro . GREGORY larnented that ; the Canadians did not exhibit as much "suavity " . in their correspondence as did the G . Secretary- ; he proposed that the G . M . should ; , be empowered to conduct the negotiation . ... , ;/ .: . - - How is it that the worthy brother was so silent upori ; the late letters to Bro ; HARINGTONissued from the :

. , G . Secretary ' s . office ? or do they come . up to his ideas : of " suavity ? " -. ¦ • ¦¦• ... ¦ ; ' ;¦ .. . . - ¦ :- '; ; . '• : ¦ ¦ ¦; .-. ¦;; : . Bro . BEACH , ilf . P . seconded the" motion . ... Bro . WHITMORE protested against -the motion being : put without notice at the Board of Masters ' . - . Bro . HAVERS said the matter was within the '

constitutional jurisdiction / of the G . M . ( this was not the question , but whether a distinct motion might be . made without due notice ) . . . . -. " .,, . Bro . BINCKES felt that there was . no use in protesting ; iag ' ainst . . any'riouVse however , illegal' , which the'Executive had determined to adopt ; . but what" they were now about

to . do themselves , they had prevented others from-doingsix months ago , under precisely similar . circumstances . Bro . DOBIE wished the motion withdrawn . The motion was then put , and carried by a large majority . A letter from Bro . TOBV returning the warrant of

lodge No . 781 , Tasmania , was read , and the G . M . stated that he hoped to be able to place matters upon a satisfactory footing . G . L . was closed at eleven o ' clock , p . m .

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THE Grand Lodge Agenda Paper for the 1 st of September last , contained a letter from Bro . HARINGTON , late P . G . M . for Quebec , addressed to the G . Sec , with the reply of the latter , and prefaced thus : — " The following letter from Bro . HARINGTON , and its

reply , are printed by command of the ^ VLW . Grand Master , for the information of the Craft . " What more natural than to suppose that letters of such importance , thus formally laid before the Craft by command of their supreme bead , were legitimate subjects for consideration ? Bro . the Earl of CARNARVON and Bro . WHITMORE , however / both attempted unsuccessfully to comment upon

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G BAND LODGE was presided over bytheM . W . G . M ., ~ r arid there was a very large attendance of Brethren . . The Bev . Bro . PORTAL , opposed the confirmation of the resolution confining the jurisdiction ' of the G . L . of Canada , to Canada-. West . ' That G . L . had always claimed both provinces , and they had passed a vote refusing to admit any limitation of their just claims .

LORD HOLMESDALE ably , seconded the motion , which was opposed by Bros . GREGORY and SLIGHT , two expectants . of the purple , who repeated the speeches which they delivered at the last G . L ; : Bro . WHITMORE was averse to making an offer which it was known the Canadians would not accept . "He

believed the Executive were acquainted with these facts before last G . L ., if so , they had acted most improperly in concealing them from " G . L . This dilemma clearlyshewed the folly of their precipitancy . , Bro . BINCKES thought they should rescind a resolu tion which forced the Canadians that which they

upon realised to ' accept . ' ... ' - Bro . HAVERS said that the G . L . of Canada accepted ' the recognition that had been offered , but wished their limited jurisdiction extended ; . this the . G . M . was prepared to . grant . - - ,, y ¦ : ¦ - ' . - " . ;¦ . ' -.. ' ¦ ¦ rj ' - ¦; .-.

The motion was then negatived . . ! :-. ' - ; . . Bro . WHITMORE , in a very clear and''able , speech ; drew the attention of G . L . to the refusal of the G . M . in December , to put his amendment that the building scheme of the Board of General Purposes , should be referred to a special committee , in place of to themselves . A law had been made in September and

confirmed in December , permitting any relevant amendment to be made to any report before G . L . and yet the G . M . had refused to put this amendment which he maintained was relevant , thereby invading the prerogatives of G . L . The worthy brother was frequently interrupted during his speech by the partizans of the Executiveto whom

, truths so honestly told were no doubt both strange and unpalatable . The M . W . GRAND MASTER said he was confident that his decision had been correct . The constitutions gave to the Board of General Purposes , the direction of these matters which it was proposed to entrust to a

special Committee , but this involved an alteration of the law , which could only be done after regular notice . The correspondence between the G . L . and the G . L . of CANADA was then read , and the G . M . stated his mind thereupon . He said that he was prepared to recommend G . L . to concede the jurisdiction over Canada East , that

[ he . believed the P . G . M . of Quebec -would resigriy arid if ( the English lodges still existing were acknowledged ,, he would engag ' e ' tho t no nesjwarrants would-be issued from ; ] England . ; He would himself undertake the' necessarynegotiations for placing matters on an amicable . footing , " or a special G . L ' . -would be , summoned . for . conducting ; them . if it . were desired . : •'; .:. - ; . ; - ' . ! : - : '

Bro . GREGORY larnented that ; the Canadians did not exhibit as much "suavity " . in their correspondence as did the G . Secretary- ; he proposed that the G . M . should ; , be empowered to conduct the negotiation . ... , ;/ .: . - - How is it that the worthy brother was so silent upori ; the late letters to Bro ; HARINGTONissued from the :

. , G . Secretary ' s . office ? or do they come . up to his ideas : of " suavity ? " -. ¦ • ¦¦• ... ¦ ; ' ;¦ .. . . - ¦ :- '; ; . '• : ¦ ¦ ¦; .-. ¦;; : . Bro . BEACH , ilf . P . seconded the" motion . ... Bro . WHITMORE protested against -the motion being : put without notice at the Board of Masters ' . - . Bro . HAVERS said the matter was within the '

constitutional jurisdiction / of the G . M . ( this was not the question , but whether a distinct motion might be . made without due notice ) . . . . -. " .,, . Bro . BINCKES felt that there was . no use in protesting ; iag ' ainst . . any'riouVse however , illegal' , which the'Executive had determined to adopt ; . but what" they were now about

to . do themselves , they had prevented others from-doingsix months ago , under precisely similar . circumstances . Bro . DOBIE wished the motion withdrawn . The motion was then put , and carried by a large majority . A letter from Bro . TOBV returning the warrant of

lodge No . 781 , Tasmania , was read , and the G . M . stated that he hoped to be able to place matters upon a satisfactory footing . G . L . was closed at eleven o ' clock , p . m .

Ar00101

THE Grand Lodge Agenda Paper for the 1 st of September last , contained a letter from Bro . HARINGTON , late P . G . M . for Quebec , addressed to the G . Sec , with the reply of the latter , and prefaced thus : — " The following letter from Bro . HARINGTON , and its

reply , are printed by command of the ^ VLW . Grand Master , for the information of the Craft . " What more natural than to suppose that letters of such importance , thus formally laid before the Craft by command of their supreme bead , were legitimate subjects for consideration ? Bro . the Earl of CARNARVON and Bro . WHITMORE , however / both attempted unsuccessfully to comment upon

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