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India.

Bro . H . FRASER , P . Prov . G . S . of AVorks - ' - ' Right Worshipful Sir , —Having just returned from England , I may inform you that I have seen the Testimonial itself and that it is on a much larger scale than the photographs , ancl is a very beautiful work of art . "

Bro . CLARK , P . Prov . S . G . W . —• ' The proceedings which have just taken place , remind us that we have a grateful duty to discharge to the B . AA . Bro . who has just laid clown the Hiram of the District Grand Lodge . AVithout indulging in comparisons , which might seem invidious , I am sure I may say with safety , that Bro . Ramsay , stands second to no Prov . G . M . who preceded him in ruling over this large ancl important province . Whether we call to mind his intercourse ancl association with

usmarked by a kindness and sympathy which indicated the generosity of his nature ; his direction in the affairs ofthe province , —tempered by judgment , prudence , forethought , and wisdom ; the manner in ivhich he presided in person over our Masonic conclaves , —characterized by a dignity and impressiveness which commanded respect and deference , we are bound to confess that Bro . Ramsay ' s rule over us was -eminentlsuccessful . Some

pre y of us were personally acquainted with him , and possessed his confidence ; many of us have seen him in a variety of circumstances , and sometimes in circumstances of trial and difficulty : yet in every relation , in every situation , Bro . Ramsay exhibited -qualities of mind and heart which inspired sentiments only of regard , esteem , and admiration . It is with these feelings that I now propose the following resolution for the adoption of this

District Grand Lodge : — " That on the occasion of theretirement of E . AA . Bro . Ramsay from the office of Prov- G . M . of Bengal , the District Grand Lodge of this Province contemplate with feelings of peculiar satisfaction their association with that esteemed Brother throughout the period he held the exalted position ; and they now desire to record a vote of affectionate acknowledgement and cordial thanks to him for the kind and fraternal spirit which characterised his intercourse with the brethren , ancl for the judgment , honesty , independence , moderation , and impartiality with which he governed the Province . "

Bro . ROBERTS , P . Prov . S . G . AA ' . — "I rise with peculiar feelings of pleasure to second the motion . If ever words were ri ghtly applied , those just uttered are 1 Bro . Ramsay was devoted to our interests j he had a sincere love for the Craft ; and in times of difficulty and excitement , he ruled with temper and dignity , and yet with firmness ! Bear in mind , Brethren , what self-control , in such a position , must be exercised , lest an unguarded expression , hastily escaping , might wound the self-love of some . It is well to reflect how we should ourselves behave

if so situated . But it would be superfluous to make a long speech regarding one whom we know so v / ell , ancl to whom we have repeatedly offered our tribute of affection and admiration . It is sufficient for me to say , that I consider our R . AV . Bro . Ramsay to be deserving of every mark of honor that it is in our power to accord to him . "

AV . Bro . ABBOTT , Prov . G . Steward . — " R . AV . Sir , I have no desire to intrude my opinions ; but Masonry being free , I hold that every Freemason has the inalienable right of giving free expression to his honest convictions . I would have gladly supported Bro . Clark ' s motion to its full length , if it had appeared to me that Bro . Ramsay was deserving of praise for the last two years of his administration . I do not believe that any man could have ruled better than he did , up to the time that he

finally left India ; but to hold on the Hiram of the Province for two years , when he had no intention of returning to us , ancl when yon , R . AV . Sir , as good a man as he , ancl perhaps others , were available for the appointment , does not receive from me , at all events , hearty admiration . I therefore propose that the Resolution of the District Grancl Lodge be limited to the period that Bro . Ramsay was actually ruling the Province , before he finally returned to England . "

DEPUTY PROV . GRAND MASTER . — "I must inform you , Bro . Abbot , that it was not from any wish of his own that R . W . Bro . Ramsay continued to hold the Hiram on his return to England . AVhen he was leaving India , he advised us strongly to choose a successor , as it was not his intention to come out again ; when we did nothing , he laid his resignation in the hands of the Earl of Zetland , but was requested to continue in office . Further time passed , and still nothing was clone by us , and Bro . Ramsay then renewed his solicitation to be relieved ; but the Grand Master again refused to receive his resignation . Bro . Ramsay having thus sacrificed his own wishes for our interests , I shall

be sorry if the opinions expressed by you are conveyed to Bro . Ramsay . " Bro . C . T . DAVIS , AV . M . of Lodge 12 G , rose to second Bro . Abbott ' s amendment . Bro . JENNINGS , Prov . S . G . AV . — " I heartily concur in fche sentiments expressed by Bro . Clark , to the full length to which ' he goes , knowing as I do that Bro . Ramsay did resign the office of Prov . G . M ., ancl that it was only out of regard for our

interests , ancl in deference to tbe wishes of the Grand Master , that he continued to hold it . Bro . ROBERTS . — "It addition to what has fallen from the Dep . Prov . G . M ., I would observe that , during the time that Bro . Ramsay has been in England , many questions have arisen materially affecting the interests of Masonry in this Province , ancl that , so far as those questions were concerned , it was a fortunate circumstance that we had in England one who could

lay them so well before the Masonic authorities there . " Bro . ABBOTT . — " I would add one word to my remarks . I have known Bro . Ramsay intimately ancl well for years . Personally , I have a high regard for him . In putting forward my proposition , therefore , I have not been actuated by any desire to give him pain . I have merely been prompted by a sense of what was fitting and right . "

The Prov . G . Sec . was of opinion , that Bro . Ramsay deserved as much of our hearty admiration for the last two years of his administration as for any former period ; for when Bro . Ramsay found he could not consult his own wishes by retiring from office , he cheerfully watched over our interests in England . If it had been possible for him to lay clown his Hiram in spite of the command of the Earl of Zetland , the Provincial Grand Lodge , which "emanates" from the Prov . G . M ., would have instantly ceased to exist , ancl the whole Province would have

been thrown into confusion . Dep . PROV . G . M . — " Brethren , you have heard Bro . Abbott ' s amendment ; it is to exclude from the resolution proposed by Bro . Clark , the last two years of Bro . Eamsay ' s administration of this Province . If no other brother has anything to say on the subject , I shall put it to the vote . " Bro . ABBOTT . — " Before the votes are taken , I wish it to be clearly understood that I have not proposed a vote of censure . "

The amendment being put to the vote , was carried by a majority of 4 votes , there being 24 in support of it , and 20 against it . The DEP . Prov . G . M . objected to a demonstration made by some of the brethren with their feet . A brother who had sat in the Grand Lodge of England , observed that it was the practice of the Grand Lodge . The Dep . Prov . G . M ., however , was of opinion that the District Grand Lodge of Bengal was not

hound by the practice of the Grand Lodge ; and it was further pointed out that , while such demonstrations were generally unobjectionable when made in the course of speech , they were obviously improper when made after any measure had been carried by a majority of votes , for then they sounded like a note of triumph over those in the minority , and were consequently unmasonic . The DEP . PROV . G . M . — " Brethren ! It is at all times a

grateful duty to reward merit . I lately visited Lodge St . John , for the purpose of conferring the rank of a Past Junior Grand AVarden on a brother who has laboured quietly , but zealously , as a Mason , but upon whom I could not , with clue regard to the claims of others , confer such a high distinction at any former period . I allude to AA . Bro . John William Brown , Prov . J . G . D . I have already presented him with a Patent of his appointment , and have recorded a Minute , which the Prov . G . Sec . will read . "

After the PROV . G . SEC . hacl read the minute alluded to , Bro . John William Brown was invested with the jewel of the rank to which he had been raised , ancl received the congratulations of the Dep . Prov . G . M . The DEP . PROV . G . M . — " Bro . Brown ' s promotion having caused a vacancy , I have filled it by advancing Bro . Clark ( Civil Engineer ) from the rank of Prov . G . Supt . of AVorks , to ivhich he hacl been appointed speciallon account of his professional

y chaiacter , but which I did not think it right that he should continue to hold when promotion offered itself , especially when it could be filled as appropriately by another Brother of the same profession . I have therefore promoted Bro . W . Clark , C . E ., to the office of Prov . J . G . D ., and have appointed Bro . AV . Bourne , C . E ., to be Prov . G . Supt . of AVorks , subject to the confirmation of the E . W . the Prov . G . M . "

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MASONIC FACTS. Article 1
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 2
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 5
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
PORTRAIT OF BRO. CREW. Article 7
THE CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 7
CONFIRMATION OF MINUTES. Article 8
MASTERS AND WARDENS. Article 8
AGED MASONS' WIVES. Article 8
HELE. Article 8
HIGH PRIESTHOOD. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
YORKSHIRE (WEST.) Article 13
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 13
INDIA. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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India.

Bro . H . FRASER , P . Prov . G . S . of AVorks - ' - ' Right Worshipful Sir , —Having just returned from England , I may inform you that I have seen the Testimonial itself and that it is on a much larger scale than the photographs , ancl is a very beautiful work of art . "

Bro . CLARK , P . Prov . S . G . W . —• ' The proceedings which have just taken place , remind us that we have a grateful duty to discharge to the B . AA . Bro . who has just laid clown the Hiram of the District Grand Lodge . AVithout indulging in comparisons , which might seem invidious , I am sure I may say with safety , that Bro . Ramsay , stands second to no Prov . G . M . who preceded him in ruling over this large ancl important province . Whether we call to mind his intercourse ancl association with

usmarked by a kindness and sympathy which indicated the generosity of his nature ; his direction in the affairs ofthe province , —tempered by judgment , prudence , forethought , and wisdom ; the manner in ivhich he presided in person over our Masonic conclaves , —characterized by a dignity and impressiveness which commanded respect and deference , we are bound to confess that Bro . Ramsay ' s rule over us was -eminentlsuccessful . Some

pre y of us were personally acquainted with him , and possessed his confidence ; many of us have seen him in a variety of circumstances , and sometimes in circumstances of trial and difficulty : yet in every relation , in every situation , Bro . Ramsay exhibited -qualities of mind and heart which inspired sentiments only of regard , esteem , and admiration . It is with these feelings that I now propose the following resolution for the adoption of this

District Grand Lodge : — " That on the occasion of theretirement of E . AA . Bro . Ramsay from the office of Prov- G . M . of Bengal , the District Grand Lodge of this Province contemplate with feelings of peculiar satisfaction their association with that esteemed Brother throughout the period he held the exalted position ; and they now desire to record a vote of affectionate acknowledgement and cordial thanks to him for the kind and fraternal spirit which characterised his intercourse with the brethren , ancl for the judgment , honesty , independence , moderation , and impartiality with which he governed the Province . "

Bro . ROBERTS , P . Prov . S . G . AA ' . — "I rise with peculiar feelings of pleasure to second the motion . If ever words were ri ghtly applied , those just uttered are 1 Bro . Ramsay was devoted to our interests j he had a sincere love for the Craft ; and in times of difficulty and excitement , he ruled with temper and dignity , and yet with firmness ! Bear in mind , Brethren , what self-control , in such a position , must be exercised , lest an unguarded expression , hastily escaping , might wound the self-love of some . It is well to reflect how we should ourselves behave

if so situated . But it would be superfluous to make a long speech regarding one whom we know so v / ell , ancl to whom we have repeatedly offered our tribute of affection and admiration . It is sufficient for me to say , that I consider our R . AV . Bro . Ramsay to be deserving of every mark of honor that it is in our power to accord to him . "

AV . Bro . ABBOTT , Prov . G . Steward . — " R . AV . Sir , I have no desire to intrude my opinions ; but Masonry being free , I hold that every Freemason has the inalienable right of giving free expression to his honest convictions . I would have gladly supported Bro . Clark ' s motion to its full length , if it had appeared to me that Bro . Ramsay was deserving of praise for the last two years of his administration . I do not believe that any man could have ruled better than he did , up to the time that he

finally left India ; but to hold on the Hiram of the Province for two years , when he had no intention of returning to us , ancl when yon , R . AV . Sir , as good a man as he , ancl perhaps others , were available for the appointment , does not receive from me , at all events , hearty admiration . I therefore propose that the Resolution of the District Grancl Lodge be limited to the period that Bro . Ramsay was actually ruling the Province , before he finally returned to England . "

DEPUTY PROV . GRAND MASTER . — "I must inform you , Bro . Abbot , that it was not from any wish of his own that R . W . Bro . Ramsay continued to hold the Hiram on his return to England . AVhen he was leaving India , he advised us strongly to choose a successor , as it was not his intention to come out again ; when we did nothing , he laid his resignation in the hands of the Earl of Zetland , but was requested to continue in office . Further time passed , and still nothing was clone by us , and Bro . Ramsay then renewed his solicitation to be relieved ; but the Grand Master again refused to receive his resignation . Bro . Ramsay having thus sacrificed his own wishes for our interests , I shall

be sorry if the opinions expressed by you are conveyed to Bro . Ramsay . " Bro . C . T . DAVIS , AV . M . of Lodge 12 G , rose to second Bro . Abbott ' s amendment . Bro . JENNINGS , Prov . S . G . AV . — " I heartily concur in fche sentiments expressed by Bro . Clark , to the full length to which ' he goes , knowing as I do that Bro . Ramsay did resign the office of Prov . G . M ., ancl that it was only out of regard for our

interests , ancl in deference to tbe wishes of the Grand Master , that he continued to hold it . Bro . ROBERTS . — "It addition to what has fallen from the Dep . Prov . G . M ., I would observe that , during the time that Bro . Ramsay has been in England , many questions have arisen materially affecting the interests of Masonry in this Province , ancl that , so far as those questions were concerned , it was a fortunate circumstance that we had in England one who could

lay them so well before the Masonic authorities there . " Bro . ABBOTT . — " I would add one word to my remarks . I have known Bro . Ramsay intimately ancl well for years . Personally , I have a high regard for him . In putting forward my proposition , therefore , I have not been actuated by any desire to give him pain . I have merely been prompted by a sense of what was fitting and right . "

The Prov . G . Sec . was of opinion , that Bro . Ramsay deserved as much of our hearty admiration for the last two years of his administration as for any former period ; for when Bro . Ramsay found he could not consult his own wishes by retiring from office , he cheerfully watched over our interests in England . If it had been possible for him to lay clown his Hiram in spite of the command of the Earl of Zetland , the Provincial Grand Lodge , which "emanates" from the Prov . G . M ., would have instantly ceased to exist , ancl the whole Province would have

been thrown into confusion . Dep . PROV . G . M . — " Brethren , you have heard Bro . Abbott ' s amendment ; it is to exclude from the resolution proposed by Bro . Clark , the last two years of Bro . Eamsay ' s administration of this Province . If no other brother has anything to say on the subject , I shall put it to the vote . " Bro . ABBOTT . — " Before the votes are taken , I wish it to be clearly understood that I have not proposed a vote of censure . "

The amendment being put to the vote , was carried by a majority of 4 votes , there being 24 in support of it , and 20 against it . The DEP . Prov . G . M . objected to a demonstration made by some of the brethren with their feet . A brother who had sat in the Grand Lodge of England , observed that it was the practice of the Grand Lodge . The Dep . Prov . G . M ., however , was of opinion that the District Grand Lodge of Bengal was not

hound by the practice of the Grand Lodge ; and it was further pointed out that , while such demonstrations were generally unobjectionable when made in the course of speech , they were obviously improper when made after any measure had been carried by a majority of votes , for then they sounded like a note of triumph over those in the minority , and were consequently unmasonic . The DEP . PROV . G . M . — " Brethren ! It is at all times a

grateful duty to reward merit . I lately visited Lodge St . John , for the purpose of conferring the rank of a Past Junior Grand AVarden on a brother who has laboured quietly , but zealously , as a Mason , but upon whom I could not , with clue regard to the claims of others , confer such a high distinction at any former period . I allude to AA . Bro . John William Brown , Prov . J . G . D . I have already presented him with a Patent of his appointment , and have recorded a Minute , which the Prov . G . Sec . will read . "

After the PROV . G . SEC . hacl read the minute alluded to , Bro . John William Brown was invested with the jewel of the rank to which he had been raised , ancl received the congratulations of the Dep . Prov . G . M . The DEP . PROV . G . M . — " Bro . Brown ' s promotion having caused a vacancy , I have filled it by advancing Bro . Clark ( Civil Engineer ) from the rank of Prov . G . Supt . of AVorks , to ivhich he hacl been appointed speciallon account of his professional

y chaiacter , but which I did not think it right that he should continue to hold when promotion offered itself , especially when it could be filled as appropriately by another Brother of the same profession . I have therefore promoted Bro . W . Clark , C . E ., to the office of Prov . J . G . D ., and have appointed Bro . AV . Bourne , C . E ., to be Prov . G . Supt . of AVorks , subject to the confirmation of the E . W . the Prov . G . M . "

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