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Freemasonry Among The Mormons.

his house , where we spent a very pleasant hour , chatting over Mormonism and Freemasonry . Bro . I . Meeks then insisted upon myself and Bro . Robertson paying himself and Mrs . Meeks a nocturnal visit ; which , although it was past "low twelve , " we certainly did , and enjoyed a quiet little chat in his cosy parlour . When ' the wee sma ' hours had arrived , I wished with sincere regret '

Goodbye' to the kind-hearted , hospitable brother of AVahsatch . Lodge , No . 8 . " Before closing , I would mention that these are the only two lodges in this vast territory . They have a joint lodge room with the Odd-Fellows , which is elegantly furnished , though not sufficiently ventilated . They are charitable in the extremeexhibiting a liberality which

, , considering the numerous calls made upon their pursestrings ,- is truly wonderful . Mount Moriah Lodge , for example , contributed five hundred dollars towards the starving sufferers of the South , after the war ; and Wahsatch Lodge clothed , fed , and nursed a brother from Los Angelos , California , who had been drugged and robbed of his money at a neihbouring city . This case came

g under my immediate observation , and alone had cost Wabsatch over one hundred dollars . Our Utah brethren , therefore , are not regardless of the principles of the fraternity . " I must now give the reasons assigned by W . Bro . Nounnan for the non-admittance of Mormons into the

lodge room . " 1 st . That the Mormons at Nauvoo , 111 , had a Lodge U . D , and that during that period it is said they initiated woman , and were guilty of other un-3 f asonic conduct . " 2 nd . It is generally believed that the 3 Iormons , in their endowment ceremonies , have pleged and bound themselves together by an unwritten ritual , with certain

signs and words borrowed from Freemasonry . " 3 rd . The Mormons are living in open violation of a law of the United States , passed by Congress in 1682 . " The above are the reasons generally assigned by our Gentile brethren for refusing admission to Mormon members of the Craft , or accepting petitions from Mormon Candidates . The subject is , as I remarked at the commencement of this letter , a delicate and intricate one for those at a distance to discuss . It will be noted

however that the first two reasons assigned are merely based on rumour , and that the last is a question of faith , Polygamy to us is a Sin , to them it is the Inspiration of God . Bro . Mackay said to our brother , Judge Strickland , question the suspected brother regarding his belief : such a theory has no foundation . The Gentile Mason of Utah may refuse to wear the white apron in

the same room with his Mormon brother , but as Freemasonry acknowledges no creed nor belief , except the one faith in T . G . A . O . T . U , it would be improper for any examining Committee to ask any visiting brother to what Church he may belong . Tbe real fact is this ; the Mormons were at first pevecnted , drivenfrom their homes , some of them , Masons , murdered , they sought refuge in

a barren wilderness , determined to worship God according to their belief , a few Christians and Jews ( Gentiles as they term them ) settled amongst them , and at once they ( the Mormons ) changed from the persecuted to the persecutors . The result is evident , a bitter feeling of hatred has sprung up between the resident Gentile " and the resident Mormonanduntil that feeling subsides

, , , no , fraternal love can exist between these two classeshence for years to come we may expect to see Freemasonry in Utah more or less a sectarian institution . Of course , every one must regret that such is the case , but our brethren there deserve great praise for their energy , their cordiality , and their liberality . Let us remember under what difficulties they labouronltwo

, y lodges in that vast country , and each of those under a separate jurisdiction , hundreds of miles away from them . Rumour says they propose to organize a Grand Lodge . Bro . Mackay in his Jurisprudence says , three lodges are the requisite number for the formation of a Grand Lodge ,

Freemasonry Among The Mormons.

but , after all , upon what basis does he ground his theory ? As far as I recollect , the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was organized from two subordinate lodges , if so , and if it would forward the common cause of the Fraternity to have a Supreme Body in Utah , by all means let us recognise her as soon as our youthful sister modestly announces that she has come to womanhood .

" In conclusion I would say that I called with Bro . Kimball upon the President , Brigham Young . AVe found him cordial , but very busy , so that it was impossible for us to ask him regarding his views on Masonry . I believe both himself and several of his High Council are or were members of the fraternity . " Yours fraternally , " ROBERT RAMSAY . "

Literature, Science, Music, Drama, And The Fine Arts.

LITERATURE , SCIENCE , MUSIC , DRAMA , AND THE FINE ARTS .

Auber ' s new opera is to be called " Reve d' Amour . " The Royal Archaeological Institute hascommenced its annual meeting at Bury St . Edmund's . Miss Laura Harris has entered into an engagement to sing at Moscow for two years . Miss Minnie Hauck will also appear there . The Musical Standard says that the new Prussian

national hymn , by Sir Michael Costa , is to be performed in public in the autumn . Mr . Henry Denison , ayounger brother of the Speaker and the Archdeacon of Taunton , has put forth a Latia version of Shakespeare's "Julius Caisar . " The Roman Catholics of Quebec have been warned by their pastors against attending the performance of "La-Grande Duchess" and " La Belle Helene . "

The new theatre in the Strand , which will be under the management of Miss Litton , will , it is rumoured ,, be none other than the present abode of the Bentinck Club . A writer in Blaclaoood maintains that earthquakes are caused by a zone of electric action , close to the surface , and wholly independent of the internal condition of our

planet , whatever that may be . Miss Roden , a principal vocalist at the Adelphi and other AVest End theatres , has taken , the Olympic for a short term , for light operatic entertainments . The theatre will open early next month . A person in Calcutta , named Cameron , writes tothe seriouslproposing a scientific expedition to

press y Borneo in search of tailed men and women , who , he is inclined to think , are to be found wandering in the foreststhere . The Geographical Society of Italy have struck their prize gold medal in honour of Mrs . Somerville . On oneside of it is the likeness of Victor Emmanuel , and on the other the name of the venerable ladto whom it is

y presented . Mr . Charles Dickens has found the benefit of his rest . Constant travelling by express trains had so completel y knocked him up that he was obliged to discontinue his farewell readings . He is now convalescent , and they will be resumed next season .

Sir Henry Bulwer , who is writing a life of Lord Palmerston , has just had valuable material placed in his hands by Lady Palmerston , in the shape of a diary kept by her husband from the year 1827 . The MS . volumes are written with great precision and neatness . Sir J . Pakington presented a petition to the House of Commons from the Society of Arts , praying for the

establishment and support of a National School of Muaic . The petitioners stated that no such institution could be maintained by private enterprise , and must be supported by the Slate .

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MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—XVII. Article 1
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THE MARK DEGREE. Article 6
BURGH RECORDS.—No. 5. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
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ROYAL ARCH. Article 15
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
THE ROYAL ALBERT ORPHAN ASYLUM FOR THOROUGHLY DESTITUTE CHILDREN. Article 16
FREEMASONRY AMONG THE MORMONS. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 18
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LIST OF LODGE, &c. MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 7TH AUGUST, . 1869. Article 19
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Freemasonry Among The Mormons.

his house , where we spent a very pleasant hour , chatting over Mormonism and Freemasonry . Bro . I . Meeks then insisted upon myself and Bro . Robertson paying himself and Mrs . Meeks a nocturnal visit ; which , although it was past "low twelve , " we certainly did , and enjoyed a quiet little chat in his cosy parlour . When ' the wee sma ' hours had arrived , I wished with sincere regret '

Goodbye' to the kind-hearted , hospitable brother of AVahsatch . Lodge , No . 8 . " Before closing , I would mention that these are the only two lodges in this vast territory . They have a joint lodge room with the Odd-Fellows , which is elegantly furnished , though not sufficiently ventilated . They are charitable in the extremeexhibiting a liberality which

, , considering the numerous calls made upon their pursestrings ,- is truly wonderful . Mount Moriah Lodge , for example , contributed five hundred dollars towards the starving sufferers of the South , after the war ; and Wahsatch Lodge clothed , fed , and nursed a brother from Los Angelos , California , who had been drugged and robbed of his money at a neihbouring city . This case came

g under my immediate observation , and alone had cost Wabsatch over one hundred dollars . Our Utah brethren , therefore , are not regardless of the principles of the fraternity . " I must now give the reasons assigned by W . Bro . Nounnan for the non-admittance of Mormons into the

lodge room . " 1 st . That the Mormons at Nauvoo , 111 , had a Lodge U . D , and that during that period it is said they initiated woman , and were guilty of other un-3 f asonic conduct . " 2 nd . It is generally believed that the 3 Iormons , in their endowment ceremonies , have pleged and bound themselves together by an unwritten ritual , with certain

signs and words borrowed from Freemasonry . " 3 rd . The Mormons are living in open violation of a law of the United States , passed by Congress in 1682 . " The above are the reasons generally assigned by our Gentile brethren for refusing admission to Mormon members of the Craft , or accepting petitions from Mormon Candidates . The subject is , as I remarked at the commencement of this letter , a delicate and intricate one for those at a distance to discuss . It will be noted

however that the first two reasons assigned are merely based on rumour , and that the last is a question of faith , Polygamy to us is a Sin , to them it is the Inspiration of God . Bro . Mackay said to our brother , Judge Strickland , question the suspected brother regarding his belief : such a theory has no foundation . The Gentile Mason of Utah may refuse to wear the white apron in

the same room with his Mormon brother , but as Freemasonry acknowledges no creed nor belief , except the one faith in T . G . A . O . T . U , it would be improper for any examining Committee to ask any visiting brother to what Church he may belong . Tbe real fact is this ; the Mormons were at first pevecnted , drivenfrom their homes , some of them , Masons , murdered , they sought refuge in

a barren wilderness , determined to worship God according to their belief , a few Christians and Jews ( Gentiles as they term them ) settled amongst them , and at once they ( the Mormons ) changed from the persecuted to the persecutors . The result is evident , a bitter feeling of hatred has sprung up between the resident Gentile " and the resident Mormonanduntil that feeling subsides

, , , no , fraternal love can exist between these two classeshence for years to come we may expect to see Freemasonry in Utah more or less a sectarian institution . Of course , every one must regret that such is the case , but our brethren there deserve great praise for their energy , their cordiality , and their liberality . Let us remember under what difficulties they labouronltwo

, y lodges in that vast country , and each of those under a separate jurisdiction , hundreds of miles away from them . Rumour says they propose to organize a Grand Lodge . Bro . Mackay in his Jurisprudence says , three lodges are the requisite number for the formation of a Grand Lodge ,

Freemasonry Among The Mormons.

but , after all , upon what basis does he ground his theory ? As far as I recollect , the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was organized from two subordinate lodges , if so , and if it would forward the common cause of the Fraternity to have a Supreme Body in Utah , by all means let us recognise her as soon as our youthful sister modestly announces that she has come to womanhood .

" In conclusion I would say that I called with Bro . Kimball upon the President , Brigham Young . AVe found him cordial , but very busy , so that it was impossible for us to ask him regarding his views on Masonry . I believe both himself and several of his High Council are or were members of the fraternity . " Yours fraternally , " ROBERT RAMSAY . "

Literature, Science, Music, Drama, And The Fine Arts.

LITERATURE , SCIENCE , MUSIC , DRAMA , AND THE FINE ARTS .

Auber ' s new opera is to be called " Reve d' Amour . " The Royal Archaeological Institute hascommenced its annual meeting at Bury St . Edmund's . Miss Laura Harris has entered into an engagement to sing at Moscow for two years . Miss Minnie Hauck will also appear there . The Musical Standard says that the new Prussian

national hymn , by Sir Michael Costa , is to be performed in public in the autumn . Mr . Henry Denison , ayounger brother of the Speaker and the Archdeacon of Taunton , has put forth a Latia version of Shakespeare's "Julius Caisar . " The Roman Catholics of Quebec have been warned by their pastors against attending the performance of "La-Grande Duchess" and " La Belle Helene . "

The new theatre in the Strand , which will be under the management of Miss Litton , will , it is rumoured ,, be none other than the present abode of the Bentinck Club . A writer in Blaclaoood maintains that earthquakes are caused by a zone of electric action , close to the surface , and wholly independent of the internal condition of our

planet , whatever that may be . Miss Roden , a principal vocalist at the Adelphi and other AVest End theatres , has taken , the Olympic for a short term , for light operatic entertainments . The theatre will open early next month . A person in Calcutta , named Cameron , writes tothe seriouslproposing a scientific expedition to

press y Borneo in search of tailed men and women , who , he is inclined to think , are to be found wandering in the foreststhere . The Geographical Society of Italy have struck their prize gold medal in honour of Mrs . Somerville . On oneside of it is the likeness of Victor Emmanuel , and on the other the name of the venerable ladto whom it is

y presented . Mr . Charles Dickens has found the benefit of his rest . Constant travelling by express trains had so completel y knocked him up that he was obliged to discontinue his farewell readings . He is now convalescent , and they will be resumed next season .

Sir Henry Bulwer , who is writing a life of Lord Palmerston , has just had valuable material placed in his hands by Lady Palmerston , in the shape of a diary kept by her husband from the year 1827 . The MS . volumes are written with great precision and neatness . Sir J . Pakington presented a petition to the House of Commons from the Society of Arts , praying for the

establishment and support of a National School of Muaic . The petitioners stated that no such institution could be maintained by private enterprise , and must be supported by the Slate .

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