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The Templars And Freemasonry.

with circumstances which arose out of his religious renunciation , he , subsequently to 1560 , resigned all the property of the Fraternity to Queen Mary , aud on the 24 th . of January , 1563-4 , he received a ¦ re-grant of certain baronies from that Queenwhich

, were erected into a temporal lordship , and he was created Lord Torphichen , in the peerage of Scotland . We then read , " Upon the loss of their possessions the knights are said to have drawn off in a body with the Grand Prior , David Seton , at their head . "

Colonel Porter says that David Seton " is said to have been the last Prior of Scotland , and to have retired to Germany with the greater part of Ms Scottish brethren , about 1752-3 . " This appears to be the last positive information

¦ of the combined Orders . It has been said that Lord Dundee ( Graham of Claverhouse ) was Grand Prior at the time of the Battle of Killiecrankie ( 1689 ) ; but as the three Grand Priors who occupied the office during that

century were the Baillis Zambeccari and Lomelino and Henry Fitz-James , Duke of Albemarle ( the latter visiting Malta in 1687 , and going to Rome in 1703 as Ambassador Extraordinary ) , the statement requires strong confirmation . Dundee may for

some reasons have received the Grand Cross of the Order , and he may have worn it at Killiecrankie ; but this is a very different thing to his being Grand Prior .

In 1782 the Grand Master de Rohan revived the English langue of the Order of St . John , combined it with that of Bavaria , and the succession of Grand Priors is well known . This combination would appear to have included Scotland , as the

Pretender , James , wrote a letter to the Grand Master at Malta on the 14 th of September , 1725 , stating that he had then recently requested the Pope not to dispose of the Grand Priories of his ( James ' s ) kingdom , " nor to grant coadjutors to

the present Grand Prior , " without previously hearing what he ( James ) had to represent on that iiead ; aud he goes on to request that he " he may be treated with the same consideration as is shewn towards other princes on similar occasions . " Here

we have historic evidence in the complaint of a-Scottish Prince that the Grand Prior in 1725 liad been appointed by Papal brief . Three years after the letter of the Pretender , and 155 years after the exodus of David Seton , we hear of the Templars , in a new phase .

The Templars And Freemasonry.

M . Thory says , that Sir John Mitchell Ramsay , the well-known author of Cyrus , appeared in London , about 1728 , with a system of Scottish Masonry , up to that date perfectly unknown in the metropolis , tracing its origin from the Crusades ,

and consisting of three degrees , the Ecossais , the N ' ovice , and the Knight Templar . This system the Grand Lodge of England rejected . It has been asserted , and stress has been laid upon the assertion , that Prince Charles Edward was

installed a Templar during his short stay at Holyrood : but whether this be the fact , or not , there seems nothing to connect the system of Ramsay with the Orders whose records cease 156 years before Ramsay's advent .

Nor does there at present appear to be any proof of connection between the Scottish Masonic Templars and the Ramsay period . Morison , whose correspondence ( 1845-6 ) , with the Secretary of the Scottish Templar Order has

been published , asserts , of his own knowledge , that the Order was introduced in St . Stephen's Lodge , Edinburgh , in 1798 , by certain non-commissioned officers and men of the Nottingham Militia , then quartered in the Castle , and that his own diploma

from that lodge as a Knight of the Temple was dated the 19 th August , 1800 . It is said that the earliest Grand Encampment of England , as it appears to have been then called , was held in 1780 at Carisbrook , Isle of

Wight . The oldest Encampment record I have met with is preserved at the Baldwin , Bristol ; it is dated 20 th December , 1780 , and refers to a previously existing document called a " Charter of Compact . "

I trust that some more competent brother , full , not only of zeal , but of leisure also , will earn the gratitude of the whole Fraternity by devoting his energies to unravelling these difficulties . I do not know when the MAGAZINE was first

published , but perhaps a search of its earlier numbers may afford information . I do know that in October , 1793 , it styles Sir Thomas Dunckerly " Most Eminent and Supreme Grand Master of Knights of Rosa Crucis , Templars , Kadosh , & c ,

of England , under his Royal Highness Prince Edward , Patron of the Order . '' Have the Grand Lodge Records been thoroughly examined ? And have the earliest records of the oldest encampments been searched out ?

[ NOTE . —I should like Bro . Yarker to understand that this article was written a fortnight since , and was therefore not intended to provoke discussion . —L . ]

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THE TEMPLARS AND FREEMASONRY. Article 1
A PUBLIC ORDER OF MERIT. Article 3
THE LODGE OF GLASGOW ST. JOHN. Article 3
Untitled Article 5
HOW I SPENT MY FIVE WEEKS' LEAVE. Article 6
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 5. Article 8
THE RISE AND PURPOSES OF SPECULATIVE MASONRY. Article 8
THE ORIGIN OF THE LODGE ST. AYLES EAST ANSTRUTHER. Article 9
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
SPECULATIVE FREEMASONRY AND ITS ORIGIN (pp. 67, 69.) Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
Untitled Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
ROYAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED FREEMASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 14
Craft Masonry. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
MALTA. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
REVIEWS Article 19
PROFESSOR ANDERSON AND THE FREEMASONS OF DUNDEE. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 5TH FEBRUARY, 1870. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Templars And Freemasonry.

with circumstances which arose out of his religious renunciation , he , subsequently to 1560 , resigned all the property of the Fraternity to Queen Mary , aud on the 24 th . of January , 1563-4 , he received a ¦ re-grant of certain baronies from that Queenwhich

, were erected into a temporal lordship , and he was created Lord Torphichen , in the peerage of Scotland . We then read , " Upon the loss of their possessions the knights are said to have drawn off in a body with the Grand Prior , David Seton , at their head . "

Colonel Porter says that David Seton " is said to have been the last Prior of Scotland , and to have retired to Germany with the greater part of Ms Scottish brethren , about 1752-3 . " This appears to be the last positive information

¦ of the combined Orders . It has been said that Lord Dundee ( Graham of Claverhouse ) was Grand Prior at the time of the Battle of Killiecrankie ( 1689 ) ; but as the three Grand Priors who occupied the office during that

century were the Baillis Zambeccari and Lomelino and Henry Fitz-James , Duke of Albemarle ( the latter visiting Malta in 1687 , and going to Rome in 1703 as Ambassador Extraordinary ) , the statement requires strong confirmation . Dundee may for

some reasons have received the Grand Cross of the Order , and he may have worn it at Killiecrankie ; but this is a very different thing to his being Grand Prior .

In 1782 the Grand Master de Rohan revived the English langue of the Order of St . John , combined it with that of Bavaria , and the succession of Grand Priors is well known . This combination would appear to have included Scotland , as the

Pretender , James , wrote a letter to the Grand Master at Malta on the 14 th of September , 1725 , stating that he had then recently requested the Pope not to dispose of the Grand Priories of his ( James ' s ) kingdom , " nor to grant coadjutors to

the present Grand Prior , " without previously hearing what he ( James ) had to represent on that iiead ; aud he goes on to request that he " he may be treated with the same consideration as is shewn towards other princes on similar occasions . " Here

we have historic evidence in the complaint of a-Scottish Prince that the Grand Prior in 1725 liad been appointed by Papal brief . Three years after the letter of the Pretender , and 155 years after the exodus of David Seton , we hear of the Templars , in a new phase .

The Templars And Freemasonry.

M . Thory says , that Sir John Mitchell Ramsay , the well-known author of Cyrus , appeared in London , about 1728 , with a system of Scottish Masonry , up to that date perfectly unknown in the metropolis , tracing its origin from the Crusades ,

and consisting of three degrees , the Ecossais , the N ' ovice , and the Knight Templar . This system the Grand Lodge of England rejected . It has been asserted , and stress has been laid upon the assertion , that Prince Charles Edward was

installed a Templar during his short stay at Holyrood : but whether this be the fact , or not , there seems nothing to connect the system of Ramsay with the Orders whose records cease 156 years before Ramsay's advent .

Nor does there at present appear to be any proof of connection between the Scottish Masonic Templars and the Ramsay period . Morison , whose correspondence ( 1845-6 ) , with the Secretary of the Scottish Templar Order has

been published , asserts , of his own knowledge , that the Order was introduced in St . Stephen's Lodge , Edinburgh , in 1798 , by certain non-commissioned officers and men of the Nottingham Militia , then quartered in the Castle , and that his own diploma

from that lodge as a Knight of the Temple was dated the 19 th August , 1800 . It is said that the earliest Grand Encampment of England , as it appears to have been then called , was held in 1780 at Carisbrook , Isle of

Wight . The oldest Encampment record I have met with is preserved at the Baldwin , Bristol ; it is dated 20 th December , 1780 , and refers to a previously existing document called a " Charter of Compact . "

I trust that some more competent brother , full , not only of zeal , but of leisure also , will earn the gratitude of the whole Fraternity by devoting his energies to unravelling these difficulties . I do not know when the MAGAZINE was first

published , but perhaps a search of its earlier numbers may afford information . I do know that in October , 1793 , it styles Sir Thomas Dunckerly " Most Eminent and Supreme Grand Master of Knights of Rosa Crucis , Templars , Kadosh , & c ,

of England , under his Royal Highness Prince Edward , Patron of the Order . '' Have the Grand Lodge Records been thoroughly examined ? And have the earliest records of the oldest encampments been searched out ?

[ NOTE . —I should like Bro . Yarker to understand that this article was written a fortnight since , and was therefore not intended to provoke discussion . —L . ]

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