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    Article WEST LANCASHIRE. ← Page 2 of 2
    Article THE BLACKHEATH MEETING OF AUGUST 1858. Page 1 of 1
    Article THE GRAND LODGE OF IRELAND. Page 1 of 1
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West Lancashire.

Had " Justice " been desirous of supporting thc title he somewhat inappropriately assumes , he ivould—before complaining of the Masonic temple not being sufficiently central—have glanced over the map of Liverpool , when he would have found that the building is , as near as may be , centrally situated east and west within the parliamentary boundary : lie would also , before stating that the members of JNo . 971 ivere " opposed to a large sum of

money being expended in alterations on an inconvenient building , " have taken the trouble to make some inquiry , when he would have been informed that no portion of the money contributed towards the erection of a hall lias been expended on such alterations , but that the expense has been borne by those Lodges now meeting there . The contributions towards a new hall form a separate and distinct fundivhieh is graduallaugmentingand

, y , which I trust will soon be large enough to permit of a building being erected which will at once be a credit both to the Order and the town . I may also add that a considerable amount of trouble was taken to fix _ on a suitable locality , and that tbe present building , to which is attached a largo piece of ground well adapted for the erection of a hall , was the only piece of suitable freehold property attainable as a central position ; and so far from the

Temple being inconvenient , it possesses , I believe , the largest Lodge room in West Lancashire , besides committee , retiring , and waiting rooms , and affords the great advantage of quietness , not often attainable in a tavern . If "Justice" will take the trouble to re-peruse my letter ofthe 4 th instant , he will find that my object was not to ' dictate to tiie members of No . 971 ivhere they sliould hold their meetingsbut

. , fo refute an erroneous statement made by one of them . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , J . M . Liverpool , 21 st February , 1 SC 0 .

The Blackheath Meeting Of August 1858.

THE BLACKHEATH MEETING OF AUGUST 1858 .

50 THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIREOR . SIR AND BROTHER , — -Bro . Hinxman having in a letter inserted in your Magazine of January last somewhat reflected on me with respect to the Masonic festival held as above , I beg to observe that I was not the appointed Secretary , but simply offered my services on the occasion to assist , owing to that brother ' s time being too much engaged to do justice to the intention . If Bro . Hinxman will recollect

, about three hundred tickets ivere issued : and had tbe same exertions been used by the numerous stewards as were by myself and a few others , no doubt something handsome would have been realized for the benefit of one or more of our Masonic charities , in wliich case , it was purposed to erect a marquee on the spacious ground of Bro . Ecliugton , at the JRoyal Standard . The roomas JBro . Hinxman was quite fullbut

, says , , there were , I think , but fifty persons present , three of whom received gratuitous tickets ; 1 am therefore at a loss to imagine how Bro . Iliiixman ' s calculation can make it appear that there should be a surplus of £ 15 , as fifty persons at 8 s . would amount to & 7 10 s . only , from which thc expense of printing , circulars , cards , postages , & c , was to be deducted . Now the cause of delay was collecting in the money after the festival , which my state of health and

subsequent occupation prevented me finally from accomplishing , and there still remains some unpaid . It is now some months since I handed to the Secretary all papers connected with the transaction , together ivith an account of all the receipts aud disbursements which passed through my hands showing a balance of about 15 s . in the possession ofthe 'Treasurer ' and further sums to be collected which ivould realize a net surplus of about . £ 5 . I am , Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , P . lachlieatli , 20 th Feb ., 1860 . '' J . p . AV ~ . TO . UT

The Grand Lodge Of Ireland.

THE GRAND LODGE OF IRELAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE EREEMASONS MAGASUNE AND MASONIC MIRROR . SIR AND BROTHER , —In your number of the 4 th instant , is a letter signed " John II . Goddard , " with an euphonious tail appended , which Masons can weigh at its worth , cognizant as they are of how such addenda are obtained . I blushed for my country , proverbial for generosity and frank fellowship to the fraternityon the perusal of the letterand I

, , regret that the hero of many titles did not consult , if lie would not ask permission of , the enlightened D . G . M ., before indulging in such a puerile and egotistical tirade—attacking a young and zealous brother whose credentials have been honourably recognized and received by the G . Ms , of England , Scotland and Ireland . Indeed Bro , Cooke may feel perfectly unscathed by the intended

The Grand Lodge Of Ireland.

slight in designating him " a traveller for some American newspaper , " and justly take Masonic glory in being the intelligent , energetic envoy of that bright luminary , Bro . Bob Jlorris , G . M . of Kentucky , who spreads the purest refulgent light over both hemispheres through thc columns of the Foice of Masonry . Such a mission is more creditable to the dignity of a Mason than appending a string of anomalous distinctions to one ' s signature ;

for I beg to inform Bro . Goddard that it is foreign to Masonic usage for a Prov . Grand Lodge , which is a dependent body , to have any representative at its parent Graud Lodge , except the Deputy Grand Secretary ; and I would recommend Bro . Goddard to modestly retire from the dais back into the ranks until better inspired by the fundamental requisites of a true Masonforbearance and brotherly love .

I remain , your faithful brother , A LOVER OT- FAIR PLAY . House of Commons , February , 1860 . [ " A Lover of Fair Play" scarcely shows that courtesy which might be expected from one brother to another in the way he speaks of Bro . Goddard ; and evidently is unacquainted with tho laws and usages of the Grand Lodge of Ireland . —ED . ]

Inspection Of Lodges.

INSPECTION OF LODGES .

, TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR Sin AXD BI . OTI . ER , —In the number of your excellent monthly publication for last December , page 508 , under the head of "Inspection of Lodges , " "J . TV " . P . " has addressed you from Skibbereen , County Cork ; he there alludes to the laxity of our Irish Lodges in conferring degrees , ancl the marked superiority as practised in America . I do think it may be well if " J . W . P ., "

who appears to be a zealous Mason , would visit the Cork city-Lodges , as he would , I conceive , in them find that portion of his letter answered , and particularly in Concord Lodge No . 71 . Of the ceremonies practised in that Lodge ( of which , after my return to this country from India , I became an affiliated member ) I can speak from personal knowledge , ancl therefore I unhesitatingly state that I never witnessed any degree conferred in that Lodge

( except the first ) before an examination of the candidate in open Lodge , by the Worshipful Master or Past Master of the said Lodge , ivas held ; aud , judging from what occurred in the said Lodge lately , I suspect our American brethren have little to boast of , superior to us , in the knowledge and practice of genuine Freemasonry . What I allude to is this , —an American brother from Kentucky was introduced to our Lodge by a well known brother , Past Master of one of our city Lodges , and consequently

it was considered unnecessary to subject him to the customary tests ; however , on being asked for his certificate from his Grand Lodge he answered that diplomas were not granted in any of the American States , except in the State of _ ^ ew York , and added that he would wish to be regularly tested by us the same as though he had not come to us vouched for . Two of the brethren ivere then directed to do -that duty ; one of the said brothers alluded

to , put three questions to our American brother , neither ol which could he answer ; and this induced our testing brother to say that if he ivere the Worshipful Master of the Lodge , and the tested brother unvouched for sought admission to the Lodge , he would not admit him . In the after part of the evening the same brother , as well as other brethren of the Lodge , had to correct our American brother in several Masonic

matters which he advanced ; and if he had " an ear fo hear" he certainly learned that evening ( iu Cork Lodge , No . 71 , ) Masonic truths he never heard before , though reported to be a well informed Mason in . Kentucky Grand Lodge . I mention these facts to show that our American brethren have not the superior ^ over Irish brethren that some give them credit for . Hoping that the foregoing may be thought worth y of appearing in your next publication , I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , ' P . Z .

lino . DISTIN . —We are requested to notice the following donations , to assist Bro , Distin in his hour of need : — Domatie Lodge 4 : 1 2 10 Bro . K . Warner Wheeler , P . G , Steward 1 10 0 Bro . Woodley , Camberwell Brewery . . . 10 0 A Brother of Tso . 394 , Brighton ... 0100 Subscriptions may be forwarded to Bro , Diatin , or to the care of Bro , H , 0 , " Warren , at the office of the Freemasons' Maga-fne ,

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CLASSICAL THEOLOGY.—VII. Article 1
CURSORY REMARKS ON FREEMASONY.-I. Article 2
MASTERPIECES OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF DIFFERENT NATIONS. Article 3
THE PRINCIPLES OF FREEMASONRY. Article 4
THE YEAR 1860. Article 5
ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
Literature. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
WEST LANCASHIRE. Article 13
THE BLACKHEATH MEETING OF AUGUST 1858. Article 14
THE GRAND LODGE OF IRELAND. Article 14
INSPECTION OF LODGES. Article 14
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 17
GERMANY. Article 18
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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West Lancashire.

Had " Justice " been desirous of supporting thc title he somewhat inappropriately assumes , he ivould—before complaining of the Masonic temple not being sufficiently central—have glanced over the map of Liverpool , when he would have found that the building is , as near as may be , centrally situated east and west within the parliamentary boundary : lie would also , before stating that the members of JNo . 971 ivere " opposed to a large sum of

money being expended in alterations on an inconvenient building , " have taken the trouble to make some inquiry , when he would have been informed that no portion of the money contributed towards the erection of a hall lias been expended on such alterations , but that the expense has been borne by those Lodges now meeting there . The contributions towards a new hall form a separate and distinct fundivhieh is graduallaugmentingand

, y , which I trust will soon be large enough to permit of a building being erected which will at once be a credit both to the Order and the town . I may also add that a considerable amount of trouble was taken to fix _ on a suitable locality , and that tbe present building , to which is attached a largo piece of ground well adapted for the erection of a hall , was the only piece of suitable freehold property attainable as a central position ; and so far from the

Temple being inconvenient , it possesses , I believe , the largest Lodge room in West Lancashire , besides committee , retiring , and waiting rooms , and affords the great advantage of quietness , not often attainable in a tavern . If "Justice" will take the trouble to re-peruse my letter ofthe 4 th instant , he will find that my object was not to ' dictate to tiie members of No . 971 ivhere they sliould hold their meetingsbut

. , fo refute an erroneous statement made by one of them . I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , J . M . Liverpool , 21 st February , 1 SC 0 .

The Blackheath Meeting Of August 1858.

THE BLACKHEATH MEETING OF AUGUST 1858 .

50 THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIREOR . SIR AND BROTHER , — -Bro . Hinxman having in a letter inserted in your Magazine of January last somewhat reflected on me with respect to the Masonic festival held as above , I beg to observe that I was not the appointed Secretary , but simply offered my services on the occasion to assist , owing to that brother ' s time being too much engaged to do justice to the intention . If Bro . Hinxman will recollect

, about three hundred tickets ivere issued : and had tbe same exertions been used by the numerous stewards as were by myself and a few others , no doubt something handsome would have been realized for the benefit of one or more of our Masonic charities , in wliich case , it was purposed to erect a marquee on the spacious ground of Bro . Ecliugton , at the JRoyal Standard . The roomas JBro . Hinxman was quite fullbut

, says , , there were , I think , but fifty persons present , three of whom received gratuitous tickets ; 1 am therefore at a loss to imagine how Bro . Iliiixman ' s calculation can make it appear that there should be a surplus of £ 15 , as fifty persons at 8 s . would amount to & 7 10 s . only , from which thc expense of printing , circulars , cards , postages , & c , was to be deducted . Now the cause of delay was collecting in the money after the festival , which my state of health and

subsequent occupation prevented me finally from accomplishing , and there still remains some unpaid . It is now some months since I handed to the Secretary all papers connected with the transaction , together ivith an account of all the receipts aud disbursements which passed through my hands showing a balance of about 15 s . in the possession ofthe 'Treasurer ' and further sums to be collected which ivould realize a net surplus of about . £ 5 . I am , Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , P . lachlieatli , 20 th Feb ., 1860 . '' J . p . AV ~ . TO . UT

The Grand Lodge Of Ireland.

THE GRAND LODGE OF IRELAND .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE EREEMASONS MAGASUNE AND MASONIC MIRROR . SIR AND BROTHER , —In your number of the 4 th instant , is a letter signed " John II . Goddard , " with an euphonious tail appended , which Masons can weigh at its worth , cognizant as they are of how such addenda are obtained . I blushed for my country , proverbial for generosity and frank fellowship to the fraternityon the perusal of the letterand I

, , regret that the hero of many titles did not consult , if lie would not ask permission of , the enlightened D . G . M ., before indulging in such a puerile and egotistical tirade—attacking a young and zealous brother whose credentials have been honourably recognized and received by the G . Ms , of England , Scotland and Ireland . Indeed Bro , Cooke may feel perfectly unscathed by the intended

The Grand Lodge Of Ireland.

slight in designating him " a traveller for some American newspaper , " and justly take Masonic glory in being the intelligent , energetic envoy of that bright luminary , Bro . Bob Jlorris , G . M . of Kentucky , who spreads the purest refulgent light over both hemispheres through thc columns of the Foice of Masonry . Such a mission is more creditable to the dignity of a Mason than appending a string of anomalous distinctions to one ' s signature ;

for I beg to inform Bro . Goddard that it is foreign to Masonic usage for a Prov . Grand Lodge , which is a dependent body , to have any representative at its parent Graud Lodge , except the Deputy Grand Secretary ; and I would recommend Bro . Goddard to modestly retire from the dais back into the ranks until better inspired by the fundamental requisites of a true Masonforbearance and brotherly love .

I remain , your faithful brother , A LOVER OT- FAIR PLAY . House of Commons , February , 1860 . [ " A Lover of Fair Play" scarcely shows that courtesy which might be expected from one brother to another in the way he speaks of Bro . Goddard ; and evidently is unacquainted with tho laws and usages of the Grand Lodge of Ireland . —ED . ]

Inspection Of Lodges.

INSPECTION OF LODGES .

, TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR Sin AXD BI . OTI . ER , —In the number of your excellent monthly publication for last December , page 508 , under the head of "Inspection of Lodges , " "J . TV " . P . " has addressed you from Skibbereen , County Cork ; he there alludes to the laxity of our Irish Lodges in conferring degrees , ancl the marked superiority as practised in America . I do think it may be well if " J . W . P ., "

who appears to be a zealous Mason , would visit the Cork city-Lodges , as he would , I conceive , in them find that portion of his letter answered , and particularly in Concord Lodge No . 71 . Of the ceremonies practised in that Lodge ( of which , after my return to this country from India , I became an affiliated member ) I can speak from personal knowledge , ancl therefore I unhesitatingly state that I never witnessed any degree conferred in that Lodge

( except the first ) before an examination of the candidate in open Lodge , by the Worshipful Master or Past Master of the said Lodge , ivas held ; aud , judging from what occurred in the said Lodge lately , I suspect our American brethren have little to boast of , superior to us , in the knowledge and practice of genuine Freemasonry . What I allude to is this , —an American brother from Kentucky was introduced to our Lodge by a well known brother , Past Master of one of our city Lodges , and consequently

it was considered unnecessary to subject him to the customary tests ; however , on being asked for his certificate from his Grand Lodge he answered that diplomas were not granted in any of the American States , except in the State of _ ^ ew York , and added that he would wish to be regularly tested by us the same as though he had not come to us vouched for . Two of the brethren ivere then directed to do -that duty ; one of the said brothers alluded

to , put three questions to our American brother , neither ol which could he answer ; and this induced our testing brother to say that if he ivere the Worshipful Master of the Lodge , and the tested brother unvouched for sought admission to the Lodge , he would not admit him . In the after part of the evening the same brother , as well as other brethren of the Lodge , had to correct our American brother in several Masonic

matters which he advanced ; and if he had " an ear fo hear" he certainly learned that evening ( iu Cork Lodge , No . 71 , ) Masonic truths he never heard before , though reported to be a well informed Mason in . Kentucky Grand Lodge . I mention these facts to show that our American brethren have not the superior ^ over Irish brethren that some give them credit for . Hoping that the foregoing may be thought worth y of appearing in your next publication , I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , ' P . Z .

lino . DISTIN . —We are requested to notice the following donations , to assist Bro , Distin in his hour of need : — Domatie Lodge 4 : 1 2 10 Bro . K . Warner Wheeler , P . G , Steward 1 10 0 Bro . Woodley , Camberwell Brewery . . . 10 0 A Brother of Tso . 394 , Brighton ... 0100 Subscriptions may be forwarded to Bro , Diatin , or to the care of Bro , H , 0 , " Warren , at the office of the Freemasons' Maga-fne ,

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