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Correspondence.

insult , not to Bro . Haye only , hut likewise to the whole Union . " Yours fraternally , SEC . GEN . M . L . A . [ We have omitted some strong and offensive adjectives from this letter , as Ave concur in an observation used by the writer of it that they are foreign to the question and unbecoming in Masons . ]

Freemasory Considered

FREEMASORY CONSIDERED

10 THE EDITOR OF TIIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Three brethren , with more zeal than discretion , have rushed into the lists to combat , my opinions . I always feel it a painful duty to correct such very verdaut brethren , but since they have so wisely ( and in their cases I confess a cle lume is the

nom p correct thing ) concealed their names from your readers , my remarks will not cause them to suffer any ridicule at the hands of their acquaintances . I may be permitted to premise that , before rushing into print , these brethren should have first verified their historical and other statements . Crucis

"Rosa , " in his first and somewhat incoherent letter , _ mixes me up with an American brother , Avho , on visiting York Minster , declared that his money had been thrown away , ancl asks , " What did he expect to find ? Rituals at 2 s . Gd . a-piece ? " He then adds , " The brethren of the Rosy Cross did not

want to betray the alphabet of the Order to Bro . Haye , even if he knew the password , which he did not . " To Avhat does " Rosa Crucis " refer ? for I must plead ignorance . I may state that I have always considered myself a Scotsman , Avithout a drop of alien blood in my veins , ancl that I never visited York Minster with the expectations which "Rosa Crucis " insinuates our American brother did . His stvle would lead

anyone to believe that I was the brother in question . To what again does he refer Avhen he says , "The Knights of St . John ancl the disciples of " Ignatius Loyola knew better than to trust their secrets to such shallow Masons as Bro . Haye ? " I am aware the Jesuits have been charged Avith the invention

of the Rose Croix Degree , but have always understood the Order to deny this . Does " Rosa Crucis " affirm it ? I confess that I am a shallow Mason compared with "Rosa Crucis "—that is , I never go beyond my Masonic depths , Avhile "Rosa Crucis " never appears at any time to have been in his . Decidedly

my reading of the esoteric teaching of the Craft degrees is totally different from that of "Rosa Crucis , " as given in his second letter , but he will not be surprised to learn that I prefer my own . His second letter is not Avorth noticing , were it not for the display he makes of his Biblical and Masonic

ignorance . One instance he says : " Kerubbabel was the founder of the second Temple , that Temple whose courts were afterwards made holy by the Son of God . " Now , Herod pulled down Zerubbabel ' s temple , and built upon it the third , called after him " Herod's Temple . " This was the temple sanctified by the

presence of our Saviour . And this is the brother who comes forward to do battle ancl to conquer . Oh , for shame , "Rosa Crucis !" I am not exactly certain Avhat to make of > l < 18 ° . He calls me a young man , a young Mason , and a young Masonic Avriter . I am , certes , not thirty ; I haA'e not been nine years complete a Mason , and I have only written on 3 fasonic subjects for the last

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six years . I fear I must plead guilty to his charges . Doubtless the brother who modestly conceals his honoured name will pardon me upon this frank confession ; and that the Craft may know what to look for in a writer in Israel , perhaps he will afford us the satisfaction of knowing his name , his Masonic

attainments , ancl his Avorks in connection Avith the Craft . As to his remarks upon the Templars , Avith the beginning of a new volume I shall present to his notice the opening chapters of the History of the Order , upon which I have been engaged for the last ten years , when I hope to show that I understand what

I am writing about in calling the moderns spurious . This brother does not appear to understand the English language . I did not say that , on their suppression , all the Templars joined the Hospitallers . My Avords are , "Pope Clement ' s bull utterly annihilated tho Order of the Templethe members o £

, which entered into that of the Hospital . " We know Denis of Portugal , to preserve the Order in his kingdom , changed its name to that of Christ , which exists at the present day . The Templars were ordered to enter the Society of the Hospital , and I ask the brother , in any historian , to point out to me an

instance of a Templar being in existence as such , in England or elsewhere , after the publication of Pope John ' s Bull in 1319 . The greater part of the knights and others entered the Hospital ; a few of the clergy and serving brethren , Avith a very few of the knights may have entered other religious orders , but we have no proof of this , ancl still less proof of their existing as a secret society , which , indeed , looking at the constitution of the Order , the knightly character of the

brethren , their pride of birth , aud the full sway of the feudal system , they could not have done among the Masons of the Middle Ages . Brethren who assert this , only shoAV their utter ignorance of chivalric manners and customs . I agree Avith this brother with regard to the appending of titles to names , when such

are inerelij titles . Without laying myself open to the charge of vanity , I see nothing to condemn in putting the titles of offices I held or do hold , ancl the names of books of Avhich I am author . Furthermore , I dispute the correctness of his views relative to the virtues of anonymous writings . I place no faith in

either letter or article containing a personal attack , Avhich is unsigned . It shows simply that the Avriter is desirous of venting his spleen Avithout being knoAvn , and I have yet to learn that any man of sense has given the preference to a letter Avritten anonymously over one signed bthe author . It musttherefore

y , , be perfectly clear to the brother , that , holding the views which I do , his dissent makes very little odds to me , more especially as he has shown no grounds for objecting to my ipse dixit , as he calls it , except by his own , and I must confess that I believe in my own viewsand I am very far from believing in his

, , especially as the grounds of his objections to my statements lie not in the statements themselves , but in my assumed youth . I think nine years of active occupation in lodge duties , and nine years given to the study of Masonry , fully entitle me to be heard . Perhapshoweverin this brother ' s ideaone should

, , , be of a certain age before a Craftsman can be presumed to have a correct opinion , even although the party has not been half a dozen times a year in a lodge , and out of lodgo never given the Craft a

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ORATION DELIVERED AT THE CONSECRATION OF THE ELIOT LODGE, Article 1
FREEMASONRY CONSIDERED. Article 2
HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN CORNWALL. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
FREEMASORY CONSIDERED Article 9
HAMPTON COURT. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 15
ISLE OF MAN. Article 15
Obituary. Article 15
Poetry. Article 15
"SIT LUX." Article 16
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 16
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR, THE WEEK ENDING JUNE Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

insult , not to Bro . Haye only , hut likewise to the whole Union . " Yours fraternally , SEC . GEN . M . L . A . [ We have omitted some strong and offensive adjectives from this letter , as Ave concur in an observation used by the writer of it that they are foreign to the question and unbecoming in Masons . ]

Freemasory Considered

FREEMASORY CONSIDERED

10 THE EDITOR OF TIIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Three brethren , with more zeal than discretion , have rushed into the lists to combat , my opinions . I always feel it a painful duty to correct such very verdaut brethren , but since they have so wisely ( and in their cases I confess a cle lume is the

nom p correct thing ) concealed their names from your readers , my remarks will not cause them to suffer any ridicule at the hands of their acquaintances . I may be permitted to premise that , before rushing into print , these brethren should have first verified their historical and other statements . Crucis

"Rosa , " in his first and somewhat incoherent letter , _ mixes me up with an American brother , Avho , on visiting York Minster , declared that his money had been thrown away , ancl asks , " What did he expect to find ? Rituals at 2 s . Gd . a-piece ? " He then adds , " The brethren of the Rosy Cross did not

want to betray the alphabet of the Order to Bro . Haye , even if he knew the password , which he did not . " To Avhat does " Rosa Crucis " refer ? for I must plead ignorance . I may state that I have always considered myself a Scotsman , Avithout a drop of alien blood in my veins , ancl that I never visited York Minster with the expectations which "Rosa Crucis " insinuates our American brother did . His stvle would lead

anyone to believe that I was the brother in question . To what again does he refer Avhen he says , "The Knights of St . John ancl the disciples of " Ignatius Loyola knew better than to trust their secrets to such shallow Masons as Bro . Haye ? " I am aware the Jesuits have been charged Avith the invention

of the Rose Croix Degree , but have always understood the Order to deny this . Does " Rosa Crucis " affirm it ? I confess that I am a shallow Mason compared with "Rosa Crucis "—that is , I never go beyond my Masonic depths , Avhile "Rosa Crucis " never appears at any time to have been in his . Decidedly

my reading of the esoteric teaching of the Craft degrees is totally different from that of "Rosa Crucis , " as given in his second letter , but he will not be surprised to learn that I prefer my own . His second letter is not Avorth noticing , were it not for the display he makes of his Biblical and Masonic

ignorance . One instance he says : " Kerubbabel was the founder of the second Temple , that Temple whose courts were afterwards made holy by the Son of God . " Now , Herod pulled down Zerubbabel ' s temple , and built upon it the third , called after him " Herod's Temple . " This was the temple sanctified by the

presence of our Saviour . And this is the brother who comes forward to do battle ancl to conquer . Oh , for shame , "Rosa Crucis !" I am not exactly certain Avhat to make of > l < 18 ° . He calls me a young man , a young Mason , and a young Masonic Avriter . I am , certes , not thirty ; I haA'e not been nine years complete a Mason , and I have only written on 3 fasonic subjects for the last

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six years . I fear I must plead guilty to his charges . Doubtless the brother who modestly conceals his honoured name will pardon me upon this frank confession ; and that the Craft may know what to look for in a writer in Israel , perhaps he will afford us the satisfaction of knowing his name , his Masonic

attainments , ancl his Avorks in connection Avith the Craft . As to his remarks upon the Templars , Avith the beginning of a new volume I shall present to his notice the opening chapters of the History of the Order , upon which I have been engaged for the last ten years , when I hope to show that I understand what

I am writing about in calling the moderns spurious . This brother does not appear to understand the English language . I did not say that , on their suppression , all the Templars joined the Hospitallers . My Avords are , "Pope Clement ' s bull utterly annihilated tho Order of the Templethe members o £

, which entered into that of the Hospital . " We know Denis of Portugal , to preserve the Order in his kingdom , changed its name to that of Christ , which exists at the present day . The Templars were ordered to enter the Society of the Hospital , and I ask the brother , in any historian , to point out to me an

instance of a Templar being in existence as such , in England or elsewhere , after the publication of Pope John ' s Bull in 1319 . The greater part of the knights and others entered the Hospital ; a few of the clergy and serving brethren , Avith a very few of the knights may have entered other religious orders , but we have no proof of this , ancl still less proof of their existing as a secret society , which , indeed , looking at the constitution of the Order , the knightly character of the

brethren , their pride of birth , aud the full sway of the feudal system , they could not have done among the Masons of the Middle Ages . Brethren who assert this , only shoAV their utter ignorance of chivalric manners and customs . I agree Avith this brother with regard to the appending of titles to names , when such

are inerelij titles . Without laying myself open to the charge of vanity , I see nothing to condemn in putting the titles of offices I held or do hold , ancl the names of books of Avhich I am author . Furthermore , I dispute the correctness of his views relative to the virtues of anonymous writings . I place no faith in

either letter or article containing a personal attack , Avhich is unsigned . It shows simply that the Avriter is desirous of venting his spleen Avithout being knoAvn , and I have yet to learn that any man of sense has given the preference to a letter Avritten anonymously over one signed bthe author . It musttherefore

y , , be perfectly clear to the brother , that , holding the views which I do , his dissent makes very little odds to me , more especially as he has shown no grounds for objecting to my ipse dixit , as he calls it , except by his own , and I must confess that I believe in my own viewsand I am very far from believing in his

, , especially as the grounds of his objections to my statements lie not in the statements themselves , but in my assumed youth . I think nine years of active occupation in lodge duties , and nine years given to the study of Masonry , fully entitle me to be heard . Perhapshoweverin this brother ' s ideaone should

, , , be of a certain age before a Craftsman can be presumed to have a correct opinion , even although the party has not been half a dozen times a year in a lodge , and out of lodgo never given the Craft a

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