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an outsider , aud therefore an uninterested party , ancl haviug heard both sides of the story , the facts referring to the above may be thus briefly stated . In consequence of some unpleasantness some years ago , three or more Past Masters fell out . One of them was recently balloted for in a R . A . chapter ,

was blackballed by the other two , and prevented from taking the degree ; this was afterwards reversed , the brother first referred to being subsequently received as a companion . The newly-elected companion , well knowing that his presence would be distasteful to the others , determined to visit the lodge of Avhich they

were respectively Treasurer and Secretary . The right to visit Avas claimed , and refused on the ground that the visitor would disturb the harmony of the lodge . The ri ght to visit was again claimed at the following meeting , and by the "W . M . ordered to be admitted , who evidently preferred the right of the visitor to the

harmony of the lodge . Under these circumstances , the Treasurer and Secretary , "both Past Masters , retired , ancl committed the offence for Avhich they have been fined .

The above is a p lain , unvarnished statement of facts that have lately occurred , aud must raise the question of ri ght to visit iu the proper quarters , so as to be definitely settled . I have withheld the names of the lodge , locality , and brethren for obvious reasons , and I think even Bro . Haye will give me credit for this time using the nam dc plume . Yours fraternally , PAST MASTER .

[ The above appears to have been a very unseeml y squabble , and very disgraceful to our Order , but as the matter appears to be sub judiee , Ave shall offer no further opinion upon it beyond this—that Ave think the brethren had a perfect right , and were , indeed , called upon to leave tbe lodge if an unAvelcome visitor

was introduced , but as the books were the property of the lodge , ancl not of the individuals in whose hands they were placed , Ave doubt any power they had to lock them up and thus deprive the lodge of the use of them . —ED . P . M . ]

THE HIGH GRADES . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —It is a subject of much regret to me , and I am sure it must be so to many of the readers of the Magazine , that its columns should have heen occupied with some of the articles that

have lately appeared therein . I refer to the denunciations of the hi gh grades hy Bro . Haye , Avho , with all his splendid talents , lias foiled to see the "beauties they contain . Just hecause it is possible tlmt he has received his knowledge in some illegitimate manner , otherwise his obligations would

have taught him a more excellent Avay . His articles make it self-evident that he does not know that which is communicated onl y to perfect Masons . Being the merest tyro in Masonry , I will not attempt to argue with him . I will make no statements of my owntherefore I shall not be to

, open the charge of wanting courage to defend them , but will content myself with drawing the attention of your readers to the few quotations from Bro . Haye ' s articles : — "It Avas their esoteric teachings veiled in symbols ,

their living retired lives , ancl the fact of their being expert chemists that caused them to be supposed to possess these secrets or to be in search of them . ' ' Is Bro . Haye quite sure that he knows the secrets I they were in possession or search of ? Let Bro . Haye

answer .- — " And even now we have wandered far away from the pure paths lit up hy the spirit of God , and , while Ave sneer at the worships of former days , we forget that , in many instances , Ave know not what these really were . " Again . But if nothing else could show the absurdities of these multifarious degrees , the fact of their not being- worked because unworkable shows their

uselessness . who Avould dream of attempting to work the rite of Mzsraim ? It would require a nation and the income of a king . Let Bro . Haye tell us if he can . Had the brother Avho was authorised in Edinburgh in either the year 'Go or ' 0 ( 5 to work the rite of Misraim the income of a king ? Was bein himself a nation ? and where was the justice of his

receiving authority to work that which was unworkable ? Again . Now , since the thirty-three degreesare unworkable , why not choose out certain of them and cast aside the rest ? If all are umvorkable , why will Bro . Haye reserve some of them ? Further ,. Bro Haye says— " I confess they manage these things

better in England and in Devon and Cornwall ; the grades below the ISth are all worked . " Surely the Devon and Cornish brethren must be very clever to Avork that which is unworkable . Bro . Haye says hedoes not believe iu writing under a nom de plume . Does the name added to the article increase the depth

of the argument ? Is it to be entitled to more consideration because it bears the name of some literary giant ? I think it Avas a countryman of Bro . Haye ' s that said— "The rank is but the guinea stamp ; the man ' s a man for all that . " Again . Attacking persons is the Avorst of all arguments . It may be used as a

weapon of attack , but it is no argument at all to attack the writer ; it is , therefore , in my estimation not necessary for anyone but the editor to know who the writer of an article is , especially if his early and best days have been passed in other than literary culture . I shall , thereforeconceal myself under an

, appellation by which Bro . Have will recognise me . Yours fraternally , ROSE CROIX . P . S . I shall be glad to communicate Avith " Rosa Crucis " through the editor .

MASONIC LITERARY UNION . TO TIIE EDITOR OF TIIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I should like to know by Avhat authority " A Knight Templar " states that Bro . Haye is the self-constituted President-General of the Masonic Literary Union . If Bro . Haye is

self-constituted President-General , all the other office-bearers are in the same predicament . While denying " A Kni ght Templar ' s " right to interfere in a matter with which he is unconnected , I may state that it was Bro . Haye's earnest wish to haA e the Union ' s head-quarters established in London , and it was only to set the society afloat that he consented to be the first President-General , and to have the head-quarters in Edinburgh . It is a gratuitous

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ORATION DELIVERED AT THE CONSECRATION OF THE ELIOT LODGE, Article 1
FREEMASONRY CONSIDERED. Article 2
HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN CORNWALL. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
FREEMASORY CONSIDERED Article 9
HAMPTON COURT. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 15
ISLE OF MAN. Article 15
Obituary. Article 15
Poetry. Article 15
"SIT LUX." Article 16
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 16
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR, THE WEEK ENDING JUNE Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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an outsider , aud therefore an uninterested party , ancl haviug heard both sides of the story , the facts referring to the above may be thus briefly stated . In consequence of some unpleasantness some years ago , three or more Past Masters fell out . One of them was recently balloted for in a R . A . chapter ,

was blackballed by the other two , and prevented from taking the degree ; this was afterwards reversed , the brother first referred to being subsequently received as a companion . The newly-elected companion , well knowing that his presence would be distasteful to the others , determined to visit the lodge of Avhich they

were respectively Treasurer and Secretary . The right to visit Avas claimed , and refused on the ground that the visitor would disturb the harmony of the lodge . The ri ght to visit was again claimed at the following meeting , and by the "W . M . ordered to be admitted , who evidently preferred the right of the visitor to the

harmony of the lodge . Under these circumstances , the Treasurer and Secretary , "both Past Masters , retired , ancl committed the offence for Avhich they have been fined .

The above is a p lain , unvarnished statement of facts that have lately occurred , aud must raise the question of ri ght to visit iu the proper quarters , so as to be definitely settled . I have withheld the names of the lodge , locality , and brethren for obvious reasons , and I think even Bro . Haye will give me credit for this time using the nam dc plume . Yours fraternally , PAST MASTER .

[ The above appears to have been a very unseeml y squabble , and very disgraceful to our Order , but as the matter appears to be sub judiee , Ave shall offer no further opinion upon it beyond this—that Ave think the brethren had a perfect right , and were , indeed , called upon to leave tbe lodge if an unAvelcome visitor

was introduced , but as the books were the property of the lodge , ancl not of the individuals in whose hands they were placed , Ave doubt any power they had to lock them up and thus deprive the lodge of the use of them . —ED . P . M . ]

THE HIGH GRADES . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —It is a subject of much regret to me , and I am sure it must be so to many of the readers of the Magazine , that its columns should have heen occupied with some of the articles that

have lately appeared therein . I refer to the denunciations of the hi gh grades hy Bro . Haye , Avho , with all his splendid talents , lias foiled to see the "beauties they contain . Just hecause it is possible tlmt he has received his knowledge in some illegitimate manner , otherwise his obligations would

have taught him a more excellent Avay . His articles make it self-evident that he does not know that which is communicated onl y to perfect Masons . Being the merest tyro in Masonry , I will not attempt to argue with him . I will make no statements of my owntherefore I shall not be to

, open the charge of wanting courage to defend them , but will content myself with drawing the attention of your readers to the few quotations from Bro . Haye ' s articles : — "It Avas their esoteric teachings veiled in symbols ,

their living retired lives , ancl the fact of their being expert chemists that caused them to be supposed to possess these secrets or to be in search of them . ' ' Is Bro . Haye quite sure that he knows the secrets I they were in possession or search of ? Let Bro . Haye

answer .- — " And even now we have wandered far away from the pure paths lit up hy the spirit of God , and , while Ave sneer at the worships of former days , we forget that , in many instances , Ave know not what these really were . " Again . But if nothing else could show the absurdities of these multifarious degrees , the fact of their not being- worked because unworkable shows their

uselessness . who Avould dream of attempting to work the rite of Mzsraim ? It would require a nation and the income of a king . Let Bro . Haye tell us if he can . Had the brother Avho was authorised in Edinburgh in either the year 'Go or ' 0 ( 5 to work the rite of Misraim the income of a king ? Was bein himself a nation ? and where was the justice of his

receiving authority to work that which was unworkable ? Again . Now , since the thirty-three degreesare unworkable , why not choose out certain of them and cast aside the rest ? If all are umvorkable , why will Bro . Haye reserve some of them ? Further ,. Bro Haye says— " I confess they manage these things

better in England and in Devon and Cornwall ; the grades below the ISth are all worked . " Surely the Devon and Cornish brethren must be very clever to Avork that which is unworkable . Bro . Haye says hedoes not believe iu writing under a nom de plume . Does the name added to the article increase the depth

of the argument ? Is it to be entitled to more consideration because it bears the name of some literary giant ? I think it Avas a countryman of Bro . Haye ' s that said— "The rank is but the guinea stamp ; the man ' s a man for all that . " Again . Attacking persons is the Avorst of all arguments . It may be used as a

weapon of attack , but it is no argument at all to attack the writer ; it is , therefore , in my estimation not necessary for anyone but the editor to know who the writer of an article is , especially if his early and best days have been passed in other than literary culture . I shall , thereforeconceal myself under an

, appellation by which Bro . Have will recognise me . Yours fraternally , ROSE CROIX . P . S . I shall be glad to communicate Avith " Rosa Crucis " through the editor .

MASONIC LITERARY UNION . TO TIIE EDITOR OF TIIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I should like to know by Avhat authority " A Knight Templar " states that Bro . Haye is the self-constituted President-General of the Masonic Literary Union . If Bro . Haye is

self-constituted President-General , all the other office-bearers are in the same predicament . While denying " A Kni ght Templar ' s " right to interfere in a matter with which he is unconnected , I may state that it was Bro . Haye's earnest wish to haA e the Union ' s head-quarters established in London , and it was only to set the society afloat that he consented to be the first President-General , and to have the head-quarters in Edinburgh . It is a gratuitous

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