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Architecture And Archæology.

Church text , the letters being raised on the surface of the scrolls , The east window is filled with stained glass by Messrs . Powell ancl Sons . In a medallion , in the centre light of the window , the subject of " Christ healing the Blind " is introduced . In the tracery are emblems . Two neiv oak stalls are placed on each side of the chancel , having open tracery fronts , ancl carved poppy-heads as

terminations to the ends . The communion-rail , which is also of oak , is of decorated character . The whole of the chancel floor , including the portion within the communion-rail , is paved with ornamental tiles . The cost of the whole of the works is £ 1 , 250 , £ 450 of ivhich have been defrayed by the Church Charity Trustees , without the assistance of a rate , or foreign aid , and the remaining £ 800 by the rector .

The parish church of Debtling has been re-opened , after undergoing extensive alterations and repairs . The alterations include the taking down of the old wooden belt-towerand re-building it in stone , with a new shingled spire . The interior of the church has been entirely re-paved and refloored ; the large pier between the nave and aisles has been reduced ; and a new arch has been erected . There is also a new stone arch between the north aisle in the chancel ,

and a stone reredos has been fixed over the communiontable . The pewingis of yellow deal , stained and varnished ; and the old oak pulpit , some little time since removed from All Saints' Church , Maidstone , has now replaced the one formerly used at this church . The old church at Ripple , near Dover , having become greatly dilapidated , a new structure has been raised on the

same site , and which has been opened for divine service . The building is capable of seating about 100 persons . The marble tablets of the old church , many of them of considerable antiquity , have been preserved , and refixed in the new building . The baptismal font is also one of the relics of tbe former edifice , bearing date 1663 . The architecture is in the Norman style . Tbe capitals to the columns are all

enriched , and the chancel arch carved and supported by sigzag columns . The old church is of great antiquity , and known to bave existed long before the date inscribed on the baptismal font , from the fact that , in pulling down the old structure , stairs were discovered in the wall leading to the rood-loft . The entire cost of the structure is £ 1009 . The building has been enriched by several stained windows , and other gifts from influential residents of the neighbourhood .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

TE 3 IELAB JEWELS . As there is to be a revision of the statutes , can any brother give us , through your paper , suggestions for a tasteful and appropriate set of jewels ?—A . TEMPLAK BASSE * .. Should the banner of arms be charged , in the case of a Commander , with the Cross Patee , or the Patriarchal Cross ?

Our statutes are altogether silent on banners . —A . THE ASCIEST AND ACCEPTED KITE . The following remarks upon a subject of deep interest appeared in the New York Saturday Evening Courier ol November 16 th , and may appropriately be made a note of in these columns . Like the editor of the paper from which it is takenwe do not hold ourselves responsible for any

, of tbe statements contained in it . " We present our readers , especially those of the Ancient and Accepted Rite , AA'ith the following communication from our correspondent Kadosh , but do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions expressed therein . The statements contained in it , Ave lave no doubt , will be deemed of sufficient importance to elicit a reply , ivliich Ave shall be happy to give space to , if calmly and

temperately Avritten : "Masonic Ed . Saturday Evening Courier : " R . W . Brother : —Having been of late almost daily interrogated as to my opinions concerning the establishing of the degrees of the Ancient , and Accepted Scottish Rite in this city , I thought it would "be most satisfactory to the numerous inquirers—with your perpermission — to state a feiv of my opinions and reasons in the columns of your valuable paper , AA-hich 1 believe is HOAA * the only publication in this city that circulates among Masons seeking light jm Masonic history .

" I have been , R . W . Sir , a member of the Ancient and Accepted Rite since 1848 . Previous to , and immediately after , my admission , 1 made as thorough an examination into the authority by which this Rite ivas here established as could be done at that time , and the opinions I then formed subsequent investigations have confirmed . Believing that the authority for establishing the same in jurisdictions where no bodof the Rite existed wasand still is

y , . vested m those possessing the degrees , together with letters patent thereunto belonging , the question as to priority of occupation became at once of controlling importance . I found , in the course of my investigations , evidences other than those found in the records of the existence of the body established by Joseph Cerneau as early as 1807 , at which time the names of many of our most distinguished citizensstatesmen and Masons as officers

, , appear . Some of them were found actively engaged in the said body as late as 182-4 , at which time most of those Avhose names appeared on the earty records were removed by death or otherwise , ancl their place supplied by others . " Thus the body has maintained its organisation up to the present date .

" I also found that the degrees , or a portion of them , had been conferred upon . a gentleman named J . J . J . Gourgas , about the year 1811-12 , hy a Dr . de La Motta , representing himself to be a member of the Supreme Council established at Charleston , South Carolina , in 1801 . Prom information since received , I presume his acts in this city were ratified by that body in 1815 , or some eight years after the said Rite Avas established by Joseph Cerneau . " I Avas told bMrGourgas himself that Drde la Motta

cony . . ferred these degrees upon him as a token of respect , as well as in remuneration for certain services rendered the Doctor by Mr . Gourgas as private secretary . " This admission AA-as made by him in consequence of my remarking that his diplomas appeared to have been Avritten by one person , having but a single signature attached . Mr . Gourgas informed methat lie had Avritten them .

" Who composed the Council to which Mr . Gourgas ivas attached , at the time he claims to have received a Charter from Charleston ( 1815 ) I do not recollect , as the only record of such a body , prior to 1849 , is within the body itself ; and I am not aAvare that they published any transactions until after that date . I believe thereis one communication from Sir . Gourgas to the Supreme Council at Charleston , dated 1823 , which is about the only evidence of its vitality from its organisation to that time .

" From its first advent to 1823 , it seems to have been forgotten in Charleston and elseAvhere , except by Mr . Gourgas . Indeed , from 1823 to 1849 , a period of twenty-six years , it seemed but the type of our mythical friend , Rip A an Winkle , exhibiting only an occasional spasm of life , as evidenced by overtures to some body of the York Rite , in the form of an " Ordo ab Chao" the power of which , those practising the latter Rite kneiv as little of as they did of the

individual originating them . " The action of the Grand Lodge of Connecticut , at its Annual Communication in 1850 , will serve as an illustration of the effect produced by one of these periodical spasmodic efforts . " The Grand Master of Connecticut , Avery C . Babcock , told me at the time ( 1850 ) that a document headed " Ordo ab Chao , " and signed bJ . J . J . GourgasAvas directed to and received by that

y , Grand Dodge , in AA'hich he stated his high prerogative , ancl claimed jurisdiction over all the degrees of Masonry in the ^ Northern and Eastern States ; but , OAA-ing to its present organization , he AA-aived his right over the first three . The action of the Grand Lodge of Connecticut , scorning sueli claims , can be found on page 157 of ' Part IV . of the republished proceedings by its Grand Secretary in 1861 , as folloivs :

'Resolved , That this Grand Lodge will not , as freemen ancl Preemasons , submit to be governed or controlled by any self-constituted body , without their consent first had and obtained , " Thus that attempt at resuscitation failed . " Similar Communications seem to have "been sent by Mr . Gourgas ,. occasionally , to different parts of the world . Prom some he received an acknOAvledgement of his communication , but from many , he informed mehe never heard .

, " The state of things continued , until about 1849 , when Mr . Gourgas , somehoAV , learned that Bro . Giles Ponda Tales had discovered some old manuscripts ot the Ancient and Accepted Rite iu or near Albany , ancl , without any other authority , established a Lodge of Perfection at that place . Again Mr . Gourgas Avrote to Charleston for counsel , and I Avas informed by a member oftlie Southren Councilthat they advised him to unite with Mr . Yates and fill up

, a Council . "Accordingly a copartnership , was formed betiveen these two dignitaries . " About this period , or perhaps a little latter , certainly before these two 111 . brethren had filled up the vacant offices in their Council , some brethren , AA-IIO had been rejected as applicants in the Rose

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MASON MARKS IN EGYPT. Article 6
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
Literature. Article 9
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
THE EMULATION LODGE OF IMPROVEMENT. Article 12
ELECTION OF MASTER. Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 17
AMERICA. Article 17
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 19
SPECIAL NOTICE. Article 20
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Architecture And Archæology.

Church text , the letters being raised on the surface of the scrolls , The east window is filled with stained glass by Messrs . Powell ancl Sons . In a medallion , in the centre light of the window , the subject of " Christ healing the Blind " is introduced . In the tracery are emblems . Two neiv oak stalls are placed on each side of the chancel , having open tracery fronts , ancl carved poppy-heads as

terminations to the ends . The communion-rail , which is also of oak , is of decorated character . The whole of the chancel floor , including the portion within the communion-rail , is paved with ornamental tiles . The cost of the whole of the works is £ 1 , 250 , £ 450 of ivhich have been defrayed by the Church Charity Trustees , without the assistance of a rate , or foreign aid , and the remaining £ 800 by the rector .

The parish church of Debtling has been re-opened , after undergoing extensive alterations and repairs . The alterations include the taking down of the old wooden belt-towerand re-building it in stone , with a new shingled spire . The interior of the church has been entirely re-paved and refloored ; the large pier between the nave and aisles has been reduced ; and a new arch has been erected . There is also a new stone arch between the north aisle in the chancel ,

and a stone reredos has been fixed over the communiontable . The pewingis of yellow deal , stained and varnished ; and the old oak pulpit , some little time since removed from All Saints' Church , Maidstone , has now replaced the one formerly used at this church . The old church at Ripple , near Dover , having become greatly dilapidated , a new structure has been raised on the

same site , and which has been opened for divine service . The building is capable of seating about 100 persons . The marble tablets of the old church , many of them of considerable antiquity , have been preserved , and refixed in the new building . The baptismal font is also one of the relics of tbe former edifice , bearing date 1663 . The architecture is in the Norman style . Tbe capitals to the columns are all

enriched , and the chancel arch carved and supported by sigzag columns . The old church is of great antiquity , and known to bave existed long before the date inscribed on the baptismal font , from the fact that , in pulling down the old structure , stairs were discovered in the wall leading to the rood-loft . The entire cost of the structure is £ 1009 . The building has been enriched by several stained windows , and other gifts from influential residents of the neighbourhood .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

TE 3 IELAB JEWELS . As there is to be a revision of the statutes , can any brother give us , through your paper , suggestions for a tasteful and appropriate set of jewels ?—A . TEMPLAK BASSE * .. Should the banner of arms be charged , in the case of a Commander , with the Cross Patee , or the Patriarchal Cross ?

Our statutes are altogether silent on banners . —A . THE ASCIEST AND ACCEPTED KITE . The following remarks upon a subject of deep interest appeared in the New York Saturday Evening Courier ol November 16 th , and may appropriately be made a note of in these columns . Like the editor of the paper from which it is takenwe do not hold ourselves responsible for any

, of tbe statements contained in it . " We present our readers , especially those of the Ancient and Accepted Rite , AA'ith the following communication from our correspondent Kadosh , but do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions expressed therein . The statements contained in it , Ave lave no doubt , will be deemed of sufficient importance to elicit a reply , ivliich Ave shall be happy to give space to , if calmly and

temperately Avritten : "Masonic Ed . Saturday Evening Courier : " R . W . Brother : —Having been of late almost daily interrogated as to my opinions concerning the establishing of the degrees of the Ancient , and Accepted Scottish Rite in this city , I thought it would "be most satisfactory to the numerous inquirers—with your perpermission — to state a feiv of my opinions and reasons in the columns of your valuable paper , AA-hich 1 believe is HOAA * the only publication in this city that circulates among Masons seeking light jm Masonic history .

" I have been , R . W . Sir , a member of the Ancient and Accepted Rite since 1848 . Previous to , and immediately after , my admission , 1 made as thorough an examination into the authority by which this Rite ivas here established as could be done at that time , and the opinions I then formed subsequent investigations have confirmed . Believing that the authority for establishing the same in jurisdictions where no bodof the Rite existed wasand still is

y , . vested m those possessing the degrees , together with letters patent thereunto belonging , the question as to priority of occupation became at once of controlling importance . I found , in the course of my investigations , evidences other than those found in the records of the existence of the body established by Joseph Cerneau as early as 1807 , at which time the names of many of our most distinguished citizensstatesmen and Masons as officers

, , appear . Some of them were found actively engaged in the said body as late as 182-4 , at which time most of those Avhose names appeared on the earty records were removed by death or otherwise , ancl their place supplied by others . " Thus the body has maintained its organisation up to the present date .

" I also found that the degrees , or a portion of them , had been conferred upon . a gentleman named J . J . J . Gourgas , about the year 1811-12 , hy a Dr . de La Motta , representing himself to be a member of the Supreme Council established at Charleston , South Carolina , in 1801 . Prom information since received , I presume his acts in this city were ratified by that body in 1815 , or some eight years after the said Rite Avas established by Joseph Cerneau . " I Avas told bMrGourgas himself that Drde la Motta

cony . . ferred these degrees upon him as a token of respect , as well as in remuneration for certain services rendered the Doctor by Mr . Gourgas as private secretary . " This admission AA-as made by him in consequence of my remarking that his diplomas appeared to have been Avritten by one person , having but a single signature attached . Mr . Gourgas informed methat lie had Avritten them .

" Who composed the Council to which Mr . Gourgas ivas attached , at the time he claims to have received a Charter from Charleston ( 1815 ) I do not recollect , as the only record of such a body , prior to 1849 , is within the body itself ; and I am not aAvare that they published any transactions until after that date . I believe thereis one communication from Sir . Gourgas to the Supreme Council at Charleston , dated 1823 , which is about the only evidence of its vitality from its organisation to that time .

" From its first advent to 1823 , it seems to have been forgotten in Charleston and elseAvhere , except by Mr . Gourgas . Indeed , from 1823 to 1849 , a period of twenty-six years , it seemed but the type of our mythical friend , Rip A an Winkle , exhibiting only an occasional spasm of life , as evidenced by overtures to some body of the York Rite , in the form of an " Ordo ab Chao" the power of which , those practising the latter Rite kneiv as little of as they did of the

individual originating them . " The action of the Grand Lodge of Connecticut , at its Annual Communication in 1850 , will serve as an illustration of the effect produced by one of these periodical spasmodic efforts . " The Grand Master of Connecticut , Avery C . Babcock , told me at the time ( 1850 ) that a document headed " Ordo ab Chao , " and signed bJ . J . J . GourgasAvas directed to and received by that

y , Grand Dodge , in AA'hich he stated his high prerogative , ancl claimed jurisdiction over all the degrees of Masonry in the ^ Northern and Eastern States ; but , OAA-ing to its present organization , he AA-aived his right over the first three . The action of the Grand Lodge of Connecticut , scorning sueli claims , can be found on page 157 of ' Part IV . of the republished proceedings by its Grand Secretary in 1861 , as folloivs :

'Resolved , That this Grand Lodge will not , as freemen ancl Preemasons , submit to be governed or controlled by any self-constituted body , without their consent first had and obtained , " Thus that attempt at resuscitation failed . " Similar Communications seem to have "been sent by Mr . Gourgas ,. occasionally , to different parts of the world . Prom some he received an acknOAvledgement of his communication , but from many , he informed mehe never heard .

, " The state of things continued , until about 1849 , when Mr . Gourgas , somehoAV , learned that Bro . Giles Ponda Tales had discovered some old manuscripts ot the Ancient and Accepted Rite iu or near Albany , ancl , without any other authority , established a Lodge of Perfection at that place . Again Mr . Gourgas Avrote to Charleston for counsel , and I Avas informed by a member oftlie Southren Councilthat they advised him to unite with Mr . Yates and fill up

, a Council . "Accordingly a copartnership , was formed betiveen these two dignitaries . " About this period , or perhaps a little latter , certainly before these two 111 . brethren had filled up the vacant offices in their Council , some brethren , AA-IIO had been rejected as applicants in the Rose

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