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The Knights Templars.

in whose dominions they possessed estates , would also have objected to the existence of a power attached to the King of France . Nor would the Pope have been pleased with such a scheme , as it would have deprived him of his vassals , and added

a tremendous and irresistable force to the already powerful Philip . The Grand Master of the Templars had formerly satisfied the Pope of the impracticability of such a scheme , and Philip had no wish to raise any question which might lead to a

quarrel with the Church . The King determined , however , to consider well this proposal , and to take an opportunity of sounding the Pope before finally rejecting it . { To he continued )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

EED CEOSS OI ROME ASD COSSTASTIHE . The " Red Cross of Rome aud Constantine " has not heen shown to be of an earlier origin than the Knights Templars , as respects connexion with Masonry , and therefore it has no right to be termed the " Older of the Two Chivalric Degrees . " What the

original degree itself was apart from Masonry is quite another question , and , like the ancient Templars , we cannot obtain information thereon from Masonic archives .

In answer to Bro . Charters' fraternal communication , the communications of my esteemed friend , Bro . Little , are to be found in the Freemasons' Magazine for the last two years , respecting the antiquity and character of the " Red Cross of Rome and Constanstine" audif Bro . Charters cannot find the

autho-, , rity I mentioned in either of the Grand Recorder's valuable articles , I shall be happy to search for my notes and refer him to the page . —WIEHAM JAMES HTJOHAS - .

THE DEEIVATI 03 ' OE " FEEE-MASOi . " From the opening remarks at page 90 ( Aug . 1 st ) down to this date there has been a good deal said on this matter ; but it has not even yet been properly or rather exhaustively treated . The remarks at 330 of " A Masonic Student "

page are very good so for as thoy go , only they do not go far enough . He is running on very well , but suddenly pulls up before the goal is duly reached . From the careful manner in which he seems to have collected his information , I regret this , and hope that he will yet follow up the matter more fully , and

further to a properly definite result . The " solution " which " Richard Dawson ' ' gives in his letter afc page 352 will hardly do . Although " one part is derived from the French , " it does not necessarily follow " so also should the other . " Further , I find more difficulties iu Bro . Dawson's solution than the " softening the letter' c' " — ~ W . P . BUCHAJT .

" SCOTCH . " I beg to differ with Bro . Lyon in his remarks at page 329 . He says , " Scots and Scotchmen are synonymous ; both are , we think , proper to be used . " I do not think so ; and I may here state that the remarks about " Scotch " arose from the spelling of

the word in the foot-note to page 210 , where it is * " Scotchmen " when it ought to have been " Scotsmen ' ' or " any Scotsman . " A Scotchman is a native of Scotchland , but where is Scotchland ? * A Scot or a Scotsman is a native of " Scotland , the land of the Scots .

The word " Scotch " I consider to be a vulgarism ; , but , of course , it may be used correctly enough in such phrases as " guid braid Scotch , " and wheu one is writing " braid Scotch " lie can use the word as much as he pleases ; but I did not refer to a " braid Scotch " sentence at page 251 , where I say , " as has been done . " As I see it often used in the

newspapers and elsewhere , I think it shows carelessness or * the part of the writer . I do not think that Professor Wilson , or many other good writers about Scotland and Scotsmen , will be found to use the word "Scotch" ( unless as a quotation , or something similar ) ; and in that masterly

essay in the Quarterly Review on " Scottish Abbeys , and Cathedrals , " by the late Joseph Robertson , he always uses the word Scottish , designedly ignoring the word " Scotch . " In that beautiful song , " 0 , sing to me the auld Scotch Songs , " I would by no mean 3 object to the word Scotch in that connexion ; but .

when , iu hearing it sung , the singer came to the words in the second verse , " The Scotch blood leaps , " ' I always felt a sort of jar , as if something had gone wrong . I think it ought in that connexion to be " The Scots' blood leaps . " While I consider the use of the word Scotch to be bad , I consider the word Scotchman far worse , unless when it is intended to mean a native of Scotchland . —W . P . B .

JEWS IN MASONET . The Lodge of Nine Muses above referred to was established chiefly by Spanish and Portuguese Jews-It has enrolled among its members many distinguished men of all classes of society , and still includes Jews . It has also maintained its reputation as a crack lodge . —HXDE CEAEKE .

THE MOST ASCIEST OBDEB . The most ancient order of Christian Masonry ,, about which there has been a dispute , is that of the Adamites . The first , or initiate , or postulate , or aspirant degree is of very great simplicity and purity , as the members are clothed in buff . In the second

degree the members wear the apron , the first example of Masonic aprons , conferred in this ancient degree , " and they made themselves aprons of fig leaves . " In the third degree the Sir Knights receive the dignity of Grand Master Tailor , and are invested with their skins of coats and their coats of skins , by which time ; they had begun to feel cold . The banquet of the degree is of raw apples . Some say the Pre-adamites were older . —NEMO NISI MEMO .

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CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 2
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
A HINT ABOUT RITUALS. Article 9
MASONIC PICTURE GALLERY. Article 9
HIEROGLYPH. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH MASONRY. Article 10
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 14
IRELAND. Article 15
NORTH AMERICA. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 16
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 16
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
BRO. GLAISHER ON METEORS. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
DEDIE A LA MEMOIRE DU BlEN-AIM ET TRES ILLUSTRE FRERE THOMAS MOSTYN, Article 19
THE LILY. Article 20
SILENCE. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING NOVEMBER 28ST , 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Knights Templars.

in whose dominions they possessed estates , would also have objected to the existence of a power attached to the King of France . Nor would the Pope have been pleased with such a scheme , as it would have deprived him of his vassals , and added

a tremendous and irresistable force to the already powerful Philip . The Grand Master of the Templars had formerly satisfied the Pope of the impracticability of such a scheme , and Philip had no wish to raise any question which might lead to a

quarrel with the Church . The King determined , however , to consider well this proposal , and to take an opportunity of sounding the Pope before finally rejecting it . { To he continued )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

EED CEOSS OI ROME ASD COSSTASTIHE . The " Red Cross of Rome aud Constantine " has not heen shown to be of an earlier origin than the Knights Templars , as respects connexion with Masonry , and therefore it has no right to be termed the " Older of the Two Chivalric Degrees . " What the

original degree itself was apart from Masonry is quite another question , and , like the ancient Templars , we cannot obtain information thereon from Masonic archives .

In answer to Bro . Charters' fraternal communication , the communications of my esteemed friend , Bro . Little , are to be found in the Freemasons' Magazine for the last two years , respecting the antiquity and character of the " Red Cross of Rome and Constanstine" audif Bro . Charters cannot find the

autho-, , rity I mentioned in either of the Grand Recorder's valuable articles , I shall be happy to search for my notes and refer him to the page . —WIEHAM JAMES HTJOHAS - .

THE DEEIVATI 03 ' OE " FEEE-MASOi . " From the opening remarks at page 90 ( Aug . 1 st ) down to this date there has been a good deal said on this matter ; but it has not even yet been properly or rather exhaustively treated . The remarks at 330 of " A Masonic Student "

page are very good so for as thoy go , only they do not go far enough . He is running on very well , but suddenly pulls up before the goal is duly reached . From the careful manner in which he seems to have collected his information , I regret this , and hope that he will yet follow up the matter more fully , and

further to a properly definite result . The " solution " which " Richard Dawson ' ' gives in his letter afc page 352 will hardly do . Although " one part is derived from the French , " it does not necessarily follow " so also should the other . " Further , I find more difficulties iu Bro . Dawson's solution than the " softening the letter' c' " — ~ W . P . BUCHAJT .

" SCOTCH . " I beg to differ with Bro . Lyon in his remarks at page 329 . He says , " Scots and Scotchmen are synonymous ; both are , we think , proper to be used . " I do not think so ; and I may here state that the remarks about " Scotch " arose from the spelling of

the word in the foot-note to page 210 , where it is * " Scotchmen " when it ought to have been " Scotsmen ' ' or " any Scotsman . " A Scotchman is a native of Scotchland , but where is Scotchland ? * A Scot or a Scotsman is a native of " Scotland , the land of the Scots .

The word " Scotch " I consider to be a vulgarism ; , but , of course , it may be used correctly enough in such phrases as " guid braid Scotch , " and wheu one is writing " braid Scotch " lie can use the word as much as he pleases ; but I did not refer to a " braid Scotch " sentence at page 251 , where I say , " as has been done . " As I see it often used in the

newspapers and elsewhere , I think it shows carelessness or * the part of the writer . I do not think that Professor Wilson , or many other good writers about Scotland and Scotsmen , will be found to use the word "Scotch" ( unless as a quotation , or something similar ) ; and in that masterly

essay in the Quarterly Review on " Scottish Abbeys , and Cathedrals , " by the late Joseph Robertson , he always uses the word Scottish , designedly ignoring the word " Scotch . " In that beautiful song , " 0 , sing to me the auld Scotch Songs , " I would by no mean 3 object to the word Scotch in that connexion ; but .

when , iu hearing it sung , the singer came to the words in the second verse , " The Scotch blood leaps , " ' I always felt a sort of jar , as if something had gone wrong . I think it ought in that connexion to be " The Scots' blood leaps . " While I consider the use of the word Scotch to be bad , I consider the word Scotchman far worse , unless when it is intended to mean a native of Scotchland . —W . P . B .

JEWS IN MASONET . The Lodge of Nine Muses above referred to was established chiefly by Spanish and Portuguese Jews-It has enrolled among its members many distinguished men of all classes of society , and still includes Jews . It has also maintained its reputation as a crack lodge . —HXDE CEAEKE .

THE MOST ASCIEST OBDEB . The most ancient order of Christian Masonry ,, about which there has been a dispute , is that of the Adamites . The first , or initiate , or postulate , or aspirant degree is of very great simplicity and purity , as the members are clothed in buff . In the second

degree the members wear the apron , the first example of Masonic aprons , conferred in this ancient degree , " and they made themselves aprons of fig leaves . " In the third degree the Sir Knights receive the dignity of Grand Master Tailor , and are invested with their skins of coats and their coats of skins , by which time ; they had begun to feel cold . The banquet of the degree is of raw apples . Some say the Pre-adamites were older . —NEMO NISI MEMO .

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