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the blood-royal like the Duke of Sussex into an Order which had no real title or position as a Knightly fraternity ? or that the Duke himself would , after his admission , consent to become the Grand Master of such an illegitimate body ? If this be Lupus' belief , all I can say is , that his new-born zeal for Victor Emmanuel ( who , by the way , has never claimed tlie Order , and does not need his advocacy ) must be greater than his faith in the chivalrous honour of illustrious Masons .

Lupus rather unfairly deduces from my silence in a former communication , and which , as I then explained , was due solely to a pressure on my time , that there is " nothing whatever to be said in favour of assuming the Order of the Holy Sepulchre . " He is greatly mistaken , as it is intimately allied to the Order of Constantine in its traditional origin and

subsequent history . The unavoidable length of my present observations will , however , now as before , preclude me from entering into details upon the subject . Lupus is also pleased to allude to the confidence I expressed in the ultimate verdict of English Masons the claims of these Ordersand he an

upon , expresses opinion " that in the educated circles of those who own the mystic tie , no great prophetic power is necessary to predict what the verdict will be . " He might well have spared the sneer , as it is precisely to men of culture and intellect that we deoire to

appealhaving ample evidence in the past that " educated " men have been the most strenuous supporters of the Order , and that even in the present clay we number in our ranks many accomplished Masons—men of original thought , as well as scientific attainmentsmen of enlightened ideas and comprehensive views ,

who would reflect honour upon any society . In conclusion , I beg to reiterate that in our ceremonies there is nothing theatrical ; in our teachings there is nothing intolerant or absurd . We commemorate a great event—the triumph and establishment of that divine faith which , let sceptics cavil as they may , must

ever be acknowledged by the dispassionate student as the herald of true civilization , and all the social blessings which we now enjoy . Tours fraternally , R . W . L . [ Ample space having been afforded for the discussion of this subject , we must close it in our next . — ED . F . M . ]

Bro. Findel And Bro. Morris.

BRO . FINDEL AND BRO . MORRIS .

TO TIIE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother ,- Bro . Findel states the socalled right of jurisdiction taken from political affairs , as an American prejudice , unmasonic , & c . The Grand Lodge of England acknowledged the doctrine of jurisdiction before the United States possessed political independenceand did not touch on

, the Grand Lodge of Scotland , nor the latter on the Grand Lodge of England . From the earliest time the Grand Lodge of England acknowledged Grand Lodges elsewhere , recoguised their jurisdiction , and did not invade them . When the politica condition of North America

changed , then did th . vGrand Lodges here acknowledge the Masonic independense of the United States . There would be such serious evils from the nonobservance of political jurisdiction that Bro . Findel ' s innovation cannot but be regarded with mistrust . Tours fraternally , P . M .

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THE MASONIC MIRROR . * ,. * All communications to be addressed to 19 , Salisbury-street , " Strand , London , W . C .

Masonic Mems.

MASONIC MEMS .

THE UNIYEESAL MASONIC CALENDAE , DIARY , AND POCKET ? BOOK EOE 1869 . —This useful and comprehensive publication , is now issued . It can be obtained at the office of the FitEEUASONS' MAGAZINE , 19 , Salisbury-street , Strand , London , or in Glasgow , in addition to the regular agents .

ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOK BOYS . —The Seventy-first Anniversary Festival will be held at the Freemasons' Tavern , on . Wednesday , March the 10 th . The Right Hon . Earl do Grey and Papon , E . W . D . G . M . will preside . MASONIC LIFE BOAT FUND . —We aro requested to mention that a committee is about to be formed for carrying out the

purposes of the fund , and the Secretary ( Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye ) will be glad to receive the names of brethren willing to serve upon it . When the committee is formed , a list of subscriptions received will be published .

THE Premier Conclave will meet at Freemasons' Tavern , on the 1 st prox ., under the presidency of Lord Kenlis . Several distinguished brethren are on the agenda for reception into the Order . —The Roman Eagle Conclave , No . 6 , will bo hold at Audorton ' s Hotol , Fleet-street , on the 27 th , when Bro . H . C . Levamder , M . A ., P . M . 7 G and 928 , Dir . of Cers . 507 ; H . 720 ;

W . M . 21 . M . M . M ., will be installed as M . P . S . No less than nine brethren are candidates for admission . —The Plantagenefc Preceptory of Instruction will be re-opened at the famous Savage Club room , Lyceum Tavern , Strand , ou Thursday evening , the 25 th inst ., when representatives from the five conclaves in Middlesex and Surrey are expected to muster in force .

GIELS' Scnooi . —We desire to bring before the notice of our numerous readers as worthy of their support , the case of Alice Eitson Molineaux , aged eight years , a candidate for admission at the ensuing Election for the Royal Masonic Institution for Girls . Her father was for twenty-one years Assistant Locomotive Engineer to the London , Brighton , and South Coast Railway

Company . He died very suddenly in November 1867 , leaving a Widow and seven children . The Widow has since been confined of a posthumous child , making eight in all , uud as six of these aro wholly , and the two eldost nearly dependent upon her , we need hardly say it is a case particularly deserving the interest of all Freemasons , and more especially , perhaps that portion of

them belonging to or in any way connected with railways , Bro . Molineaux was a very rising man iu his profession , but unfortunately was unable to leave his widow and large family provided for . He belonged to the Royal York Lodge at Brighton , No . 315 , of which he had been a member , four years . Bro . George Hawkins of the London Brighton and South Coast Railway ,

Brighton , will be happy to receive proxies . The daughter of Mrs . S . Palmer is a candidate for admission . We understand this to be a truly deserving case for fraternal sympathy .

MASONIC AECIUEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE . —From our advertising columns it will be seen that the next meeting of the Institute takes place on Friday , the 2 Gth inst ., when Bro . George Lambert will read a paper upon " the Ritual of the Three Degrees nsed by Frederick tbo Great . " Brethren who desire to be present ,

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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—XII. Article 3
THE SEPULCHRE OF SOLOMON, KING OF ISRAEL. Article 5
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 6
FUNERAL ORATION. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
BRO. FINDEL AND BRO. MORRIS. Article 12
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MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 18
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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the blood-royal like the Duke of Sussex into an Order which had no real title or position as a Knightly fraternity ? or that the Duke himself would , after his admission , consent to become the Grand Master of such an illegitimate body ? If this be Lupus' belief , all I can say is , that his new-born zeal for Victor Emmanuel ( who , by the way , has never claimed tlie Order , and does not need his advocacy ) must be greater than his faith in the chivalrous honour of illustrious Masons .

Lupus rather unfairly deduces from my silence in a former communication , and which , as I then explained , was due solely to a pressure on my time , that there is " nothing whatever to be said in favour of assuming the Order of the Holy Sepulchre . " He is greatly mistaken , as it is intimately allied to the Order of Constantine in its traditional origin and

subsequent history . The unavoidable length of my present observations will , however , now as before , preclude me from entering into details upon the subject . Lupus is also pleased to allude to the confidence I expressed in the ultimate verdict of English Masons the claims of these Ordersand he an

upon , expresses opinion " that in the educated circles of those who own the mystic tie , no great prophetic power is necessary to predict what the verdict will be . " He might well have spared the sneer , as it is precisely to men of culture and intellect that we deoire to

appealhaving ample evidence in the past that " educated " men have been the most strenuous supporters of the Order , and that even in the present clay we number in our ranks many accomplished Masons—men of original thought , as well as scientific attainmentsmen of enlightened ideas and comprehensive views ,

who would reflect honour upon any society . In conclusion , I beg to reiterate that in our ceremonies there is nothing theatrical ; in our teachings there is nothing intolerant or absurd . We commemorate a great event—the triumph and establishment of that divine faith which , let sceptics cavil as they may , must

ever be acknowledged by the dispassionate student as the herald of true civilization , and all the social blessings which we now enjoy . Tours fraternally , R . W . L . [ Ample space having been afforded for the discussion of this subject , we must close it in our next . — ED . F . M . ]

Bro. Findel And Bro. Morris.

BRO . FINDEL AND BRO . MORRIS .

TO TIIE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother ,- Bro . Findel states the socalled right of jurisdiction taken from political affairs , as an American prejudice , unmasonic , & c . The Grand Lodge of England acknowledged the doctrine of jurisdiction before the United States possessed political independenceand did not touch on

, the Grand Lodge of Scotland , nor the latter on the Grand Lodge of England . From the earliest time the Grand Lodge of England acknowledged Grand Lodges elsewhere , recoguised their jurisdiction , and did not invade them . When the politica condition of North America

changed , then did th . vGrand Lodges here acknowledge the Masonic independense of the United States . There would be such serious evils from the nonobservance of political jurisdiction that Bro . Findel ' s innovation cannot but be regarded with mistrust . Tours fraternally , P . M .

Ar01203

THE MASONIC MIRROR . * ,. * All communications to be addressed to 19 , Salisbury-street , " Strand , London , W . C .

Masonic Mems.

MASONIC MEMS .

THE UNIYEESAL MASONIC CALENDAE , DIARY , AND POCKET ? BOOK EOE 1869 . —This useful and comprehensive publication , is now issued . It can be obtained at the office of the FitEEUASONS' MAGAZINE , 19 , Salisbury-street , Strand , London , or in Glasgow , in addition to the regular agents .

ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOK BOYS . —The Seventy-first Anniversary Festival will be held at the Freemasons' Tavern , on . Wednesday , March the 10 th . The Right Hon . Earl do Grey and Papon , E . W . D . G . M . will preside . MASONIC LIFE BOAT FUND . —We aro requested to mention that a committee is about to be formed for carrying out the

purposes of the fund , and the Secretary ( Bro . Anthony Oneal Haye ) will be glad to receive the names of brethren willing to serve upon it . When the committee is formed , a list of subscriptions received will be published .

THE Premier Conclave will meet at Freemasons' Tavern , on the 1 st prox ., under the presidency of Lord Kenlis . Several distinguished brethren are on the agenda for reception into the Order . —The Roman Eagle Conclave , No . 6 , will bo hold at Audorton ' s Hotol , Fleet-street , on the 27 th , when Bro . H . C . Levamder , M . A ., P . M . 7 G and 928 , Dir . of Cers . 507 ; H . 720 ;

W . M . 21 . M . M . M ., will be installed as M . P . S . No less than nine brethren are candidates for admission . —The Plantagenefc Preceptory of Instruction will be re-opened at the famous Savage Club room , Lyceum Tavern , Strand , ou Thursday evening , the 25 th inst ., when representatives from the five conclaves in Middlesex and Surrey are expected to muster in force .

GIELS' Scnooi . —We desire to bring before the notice of our numerous readers as worthy of their support , the case of Alice Eitson Molineaux , aged eight years , a candidate for admission at the ensuing Election for the Royal Masonic Institution for Girls . Her father was for twenty-one years Assistant Locomotive Engineer to the London , Brighton , and South Coast Railway

Company . He died very suddenly in November 1867 , leaving a Widow and seven children . The Widow has since been confined of a posthumous child , making eight in all , uud as six of these aro wholly , and the two eldost nearly dependent upon her , we need hardly say it is a case particularly deserving the interest of all Freemasons , and more especially , perhaps that portion of

them belonging to or in any way connected with railways , Bro . Molineaux was a very rising man iu his profession , but unfortunately was unable to leave his widow and large family provided for . He belonged to the Royal York Lodge at Brighton , No . 315 , of which he had been a member , four years . Bro . George Hawkins of the London Brighton and South Coast Railway ,

Brighton , will be happy to receive proxies . The daughter of Mrs . S . Palmer is a candidate for admission . We understand this to be a truly deserving case for fraternal sympathy .

MASONIC AECIUEOLOGICAL INSTITUTE . —From our advertising columns it will be seen that the next meeting of the Institute takes place on Friday , the 2 Gth inst ., when Bro . George Lambert will read a paper upon " the Ritual of the Three Degrees nsed by Frederick tbo Great . " Brethren who desire to be present ,

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