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religion , he means one thing and I mean another . He appears to use the term as a general denomination for all believers who are not Christians , Jews , Parsees , or Mahommedans . I use the word "believers " because I assume that every man who has any religion at all must believe in God . My former

Tetter was founded on the strict and literal meaning of the expression , which I construe as meaning a religion which a man holds by nature , in short , an instinctive religion , and it is the existence of religion by instinct that I unhesitatingly deny . Have we not the hihest authoritfor stating that "man b

g y y nature knew not God ? " Bro . Cooper , in alluding to a passage iu my letter to the effect that " no man ever acquired a religion , however erroneous , except by revelation , " has assumed that I intended to allude exclusively to divine revelation . Such was not my intention . I used the term

in contradistinction to natural or instinctive acquirement , and what I intended to imply was the knowledge of religion which a man obtains by communication from parents , guardians , teachers , or companions . I cannot conclude this letter without thanking Bro . Cooper for his kind allusion to my former communication . Yours fraternally , H . B . "WHITE .

THE BOYS' SCHOOL . TO THE EDITOR OE THE EKEBMASONS' MAGAZINE AHD MASONIC MIREOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —A most distressing case presents itself at the forthcoming election . It is that of the son of a Vice-President , who seeks election on the foundation of the school .

The number of Vice-Presidents is 180 , and each is entitled to ten votes . Of these ISO about fifty are lodge officials , most of whose votes may be regarded as pledged for local purposes . There remains 130 Vice-Presidents on whom the case of their brother and colleague makes a strong claim . If each will give his ten votes this time

, it will secure the election ; 1 , 200 votes are safe . Yours fraternally , A LIFE GOVERNOR , BOX ' SCHOOL . ELECTION OF OFFICE-BEAEEES . TO THE EDITOE OE TEE EBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR

. DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In answer to your correspondent " Elihoenai , " regarding the election of office-bearers in a Scotch Eoyal Arch Chapter—1 st ., It is not lawful to elect office-bearers unless the chapter be opened , and then seven Eoyal Arch Masons must be present exclusive of the Janitor 2 ndIt is

; , quite incompetent to elect an office-bearer in his absence , after receiving a verbal message declining re-election . Yours fraternally , Aitiii .

LOOSENESS IN MASONEY . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have read with surprise the letter of a Scotch P . M ., aud must say I think Masonry is carried on very loosely by the lod the Border

ges over . I will relate a very recent instance of looseness of a different kind . The other day I was applied to for relief from a man describing

himself as having been initiated in the St . Stephen's Lodge ( No . 145 ) , Edinboro ' . I asked for his certificate , which he produced , and I found it dated August , 1867 . "How is this , " I asked , "that your certificate bears so recent a date , and you are now applying for relief ? " "Oh , " he said , "I was

initiated some years ago , but never applied for it . I have been living some time at Portsmouth , and , heing ill , I wrote to the W . M ., stating who were the officers of the lodge at the time I was initiated , and they sent it me . " On examining him , I found he could ive me no information respecting his third degree .

g Now , what I would ask is this— " Is not this loose system of Masonry the very cause of so many begging impostors ? " It clearly appears he did not apply for his certificate until he required it for begging purposes , and which was then sent him by merely writing for it from a place where the identity could not be proved .

Again , he told me all he paid for his initiation was two guineas . Is this correct ? If so , thank goodness I am not a Scotch but an English Mason . Yours fraternally , P . M .

SUPEBINTENDENCE OF LODGES . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBEOR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Glad , indeed , am I to find the subject named at the head of this note exciting the interest its importance demands . . I full

y sympathise with the views of Bros . Hughan and H . B . "White , and personally shall endeavour to do my duty . Yours fraternally , ANOTHEE PHOV . G . R .

"TO "WHOM IS HONOUE DUE ?" TO THE EDITOR OF THE FBBEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBEOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I was exceedingly grieved on reading the letter bearing the above title in your last number . As you very properlremark

y the M . E . Z . in question manifested " very bad taste , " and I will advisedly add un-Masonio feeling . Excellent Comp . Banister will , I am sure , participate in this view , for a more amiable brother does not live . It will happen I suppose that we shall occasionally meet with brethren well skilled in the letterhut

, totally ignorant of the spirit of our noble Order . May their number decrease . Yours fraternally , E . A . C .

GOLD EING OF AN OEDEE OF KNIGHTHOOD . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEBMASOXs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIBBOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In answer to "J . C . " regarding a gold ring of an Order of Knighthood , the

ring undoubtedly belongs to the Order of Militia Templi . A ring similar to it was worn by knights holding diplomas from the Grand Master , the only difference being that the cross is worn on the stone outside , with the letters P D > fr E P , and V D S A inside . Perhaps some other correspondent will state his views . Yours fraternally . X T .

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EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 3
ADDRESS. Article 6
THIRD DECADE OF MASONIC PRECEPTS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
MASONIC MUSIC FOR (A.T.T.B.) Article 11
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
SCOTLAND. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 16
Untitled Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
ROSE CROIX. Article 20
LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING OCTOBER 26TH, 1867. Article 20
THE WEEK. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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religion , he means one thing and I mean another . He appears to use the term as a general denomination for all believers who are not Christians , Jews , Parsees , or Mahommedans . I use the word "believers " because I assume that every man who has any religion at all must believe in God . My former

Tetter was founded on the strict and literal meaning of the expression , which I construe as meaning a religion which a man holds by nature , in short , an instinctive religion , and it is the existence of religion by instinct that I unhesitatingly deny . Have we not the hihest authoritfor stating that "man b

g y y nature knew not God ? " Bro . Cooper , in alluding to a passage iu my letter to the effect that " no man ever acquired a religion , however erroneous , except by revelation , " has assumed that I intended to allude exclusively to divine revelation . Such was not my intention . I used the term

in contradistinction to natural or instinctive acquirement , and what I intended to imply was the knowledge of religion which a man obtains by communication from parents , guardians , teachers , or companions . I cannot conclude this letter without thanking Bro . Cooper for his kind allusion to my former communication . Yours fraternally , H . B . "WHITE .

THE BOYS' SCHOOL . TO THE EDITOR OE THE EKEBMASONS' MAGAZINE AHD MASONIC MIREOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —A most distressing case presents itself at the forthcoming election . It is that of the son of a Vice-President , who seeks election on the foundation of the school .

The number of Vice-Presidents is 180 , and each is entitled to ten votes . Of these ISO about fifty are lodge officials , most of whose votes may be regarded as pledged for local purposes . There remains 130 Vice-Presidents on whom the case of their brother and colleague makes a strong claim . If each will give his ten votes this time

, it will secure the election ; 1 , 200 votes are safe . Yours fraternally , A LIFE GOVERNOR , BOX ' SCHOOL . ELECTION OF OFFICE-BEAEEES . TO THE EDITOE OE TEE EBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR

. DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In answer to your correspondent " Elihoenai , " regarding the election of office-bearers in a Scotch Eoyal Arch Chapter—1 st ., It is not lawful to elect office-bearers unless the chapter be opened , and then seven Eoyal Arch Masons must be present exclusive of the Janitor 2 ndIt is

; , quite incompetent to elect an office-bearer in his absence , after receiving a verbal message declining re-election . Yours fraternally , Aitiii .

LOOSENESS IN MASONEY . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEEMASONS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRROB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have read with surprise the letter of a Scotch P . M ., aud must say I think Masonry is carried on very loosely by the lod the Border

ges over . I will relate a very recent instance of looseness of a different kind . The other day I was applied to for relief from a man describing

himself as having been initiated in the St . Stephen's Lodge ( No . 145 ) , Edinboro ' . I asked for his certificate , which he produced , and I found it dated August , 1867 . "How is this , " I asked , "that your certificate bears so recent a date , and you are now applying for relief ? " "Oh , " he said , "I was

initiated some years ago , but never applied for it . I have been living some time at Portsmouth , and , heing ill , I wrote to the W . M ., stating who were the officers of the lodge at the time I was initiated , and they sent it me . " On examining him , I found he could ive me no information respecting his third degree .

g Now , what I would ask is this— " Is not this loose system of Masonry the very cause of so many begging impostors ? " It clearly appears he did not apply for his certificate until he required it for begging purposes , and which was then sent him by merely writing for it from a place where the identity could not be proved .

Again , he told me all he paid for his initiation was two guineas . Is this correct ? If so , thank goodness I am not a Scotch but an English Mason . Yours fraternally , P . M .

SUPEBINTENDENCE OF LODGES . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBEOR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Glad , indeed , am I to find the subject named at the head of this note exciting the interest its importance demands . . I full

y sympathise with the views of Bros . Hughan and H . B . "White , and personally shall endeavour to do my duty . Yours fraternally , ANOTHEE PHOV . G . R .

"TO "WHOM IS HONOUE DUE ?" TO THE EDITOR OF THE FBBEMASONs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBEOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I was exceedingly grieved on reading the letter bearing the above title in your last number . As you very properlremark

y the M . E . Z . in question manifested " very bad taste , " and I will advisedly add un-Masonio feeling . Excellent Comp . Banister will , I am sure , participate in this view , for a more amiable brother does not live . It will happen I suppose that we shall occasionally meet with brethren well skilled in the letterhut

, totally ignorant of the spirit of our noble Order . May their number decrease . Yours fraternally , E . A . C .

GOLD EING OF AN OEDEE OF KNIGHTHOOD . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EBEBMASOXs' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC HIBBOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In answer to "J . C . " regarding a gold ring of an Order of Knighthood , the

ring undoubtedly belongs to the Order of Militia Templi . A ring similar to it was worn by knights holding diplomas from the Grand Master , the only difference being that the cross is worn on the stone outside , with the letters P D > fr E P , and V D S A inside . Perhaps some other correspondent will state his views . Yours fraternally . X T .

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