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have the number of the points even . These marks were generally of straight lines , being easier made ; but sometimes there are also circles or half circles , and sometimes letters of the Greek alphabet , or the initial of the workman ' s name ; in the latter case they may be intended to have that meaning ; but there is

nothing further secret about them as marks ; as others seem to have adopted a triangle , a square , or an irregular bunch of lines , just as struck their fancy , without there being any secret meaning intendedthe craftsman , most probably , knowing far less about the properties of his triangle or square than a modern

school-boy—only we might expect that no two men working at the same building would be allowed to use the same mark . We must , therefore , consider that the style of the old Mason ' s marks was of an odd or even number of points , just as fancy led the workman , the fgreat meaning , or " secret , " about it—intended hy its use—being , that the owner of a certain mark worked or passed the stone on which that particular mark was found . —W . P . B .

BTJRGH RECORDS . From Extracts from the Council Eegister of the Burgh of Aberdeen . —Spalding Club : — 27 th June , 1483 . " The xxvii . dai of June , yer lxxxiii , it was rehersit be Dauid Menzes , master of the Kirk Warkthat it

, was appoyntit , decretit in lentern last by past , the tym _ of the aldermannis being in Edinburgh , at the Parliament , betuix the masownys of the luge ; that is to say , Richard Ancram , Andro Murray , James of Barry , Jobne Eussal , Johne of Knydrum , and Matho Wrycht , efter that thai war frendit and

accordit vpon certane debate and controuersy betuix tbaime , that gif ony tym tocum thairefter ony of thaim offendit til vther , that war fundin in a faute , for the first faute , he suld gif xx s . to Sanct Nicholace wark vnforgiven , and for the second faute , gif thai fautyt aganexl s . ; andif thai fautit the thrid t

, , g ym , to beexcludit out of the luge as a common forfautor . The quhilk ordinance , ye masownis forsaides has ratifiit and approvit this samyn day , before ye aldermen and consel , and newlingis oblist thame til observe the same be the faith of tliare bodiis . "

4 th May , 1484 . "The iiij day of May , anno Ixxxiiij ' - Maistre Johne Gray , mason , was resaint be the alderman , baillies , counsale , and communite of the burgh of Aberdene , in maistre of wark , to the bigging of Sanct Necolace Wark , quhilk has taken upon him to be

continuale labourand and diligent for the vpbringing of the said wark , and to do al car concerning the said wark that accordis til a maister of work , baith in labouring of his cnmjn personn , devysing , be seyng and ourseyng of vtiieris masons and warkmen that sal be vnder him , for al the dais of his lif , to the finale

completing and ending of the said wark , at al his possibilite and power , the best wyse that he can . For ye quhilkis thingis to be done he has , in the presence of the baillies , counsale , and communite forsaidis , gevin the gret bodely aith , to be lele and trew to the said wark for al the dais of his life vnto the

, completing and ending of the same . And the said maister of wark sal labour him self , and ger vtheris masons and warkmen vnder him labour daily and continually , efter the act of Parliament made thairupon . For the '

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quhilkis lahouris and seruice , to be done be the said maister of wark , the saidis alderman , baillies , counsale , and communite , has promittit to gif yerly to the said maister of wark , for his fil , twenty pundis and fyve inerkis , til a propyne in al costage endur and al the dais that he has to lif , quhil the said wark be complete .

And the day of his entra to the said wark the day of this present write . And this said some of xx iij lib . xvi s viij d yerly , to be pait til him at four terrnes in the yere , propareionaly , as thai and he sal accord best thairuponn . "—W . P . B .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

COEEESPONBENCE .

The Editor in not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent **

10 THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AWD MASOMTC MIBROH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Allow me space for a fewremarks on the letter in your number of this day from my friend the D . P . G . M . for Leicestershire ,, who , it appears to me , does not quite appreciate the position I have taken , fancying that I claim a precedencewhereas all I ask is permission to preside

, over a lodge of which I am a member , under certain circumstances of request and assent . Certainly he is right in supposing that I had no desire to misrepresent him , for I imagine that there is scarcely a difference between us . I have carefully perused his letter , and consider that I am justified in repeating

my words in your number of April 3 rd , that " custom and practice sanction a liberal interpretation of the law in the li ght which I regard it ; " for every one whom I have consulted seems to admit that , when a . W . M . asks a member of the lodge , being a P . M ., wherever he may have served as suchto act as his

, locum tenons and discharge all his duties , provided the P . M . ' s and Wardens of that lodge do not object , the P . M . may by courtesy properly assume the position without infringing the law . This was the original question , for exactly in such circumstances

was I placed . No complaint was made by anyone , and yet , in the absence of such complaint , I was informed by superior authority that I " could not properly preside on such an occasion , " that is , under any disability and importunity on the part of the W . M . and any amount of sanction on the part of the P . M . ' s and Wardens . I believe that if this

restriction be enforced upon me , I shall be the only P . M . in the country placed under such disability , for in one view which Bro . Kelly advances , he says that u brotherly courtesy " would admit the propriety of allowing a P . M . not of , but in , the lodge to preside when requested so to do . Tour other correspondent

, > h B * b , very properly asks what is to be done " in the c se of a loclge in the first year of its existence , where , of course , there is no I . P . M ., nor are there any P . M . ' s , assuming the W . M . to be unavoidably absent . " Another brother has suggested also the instance of a lodge in which there is no brother

capable of working the ceremony of installation , a very common one . I have often been called upon to take the chair for that purpose in lodges to which I did not belong , but , under present circumstances , it

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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 2
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 4
Untitled Article 6
THE POPE AND THE FREEMASONS. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 11
INAUGURATION OF THE NEW MASONIC HALL AND BUILDINGS. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
SOUTH AFRICA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
Poetry. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 24TH APRIL, 1869. Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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have the number of the points even . These marks were generally of straight lines , being easier made ; but sometimes there are also circles or half circles , and sometimes letters of the Greek alphabet , or the initial of the workman ' s name ; in the latter case they may be intended to have that meaning ; but there is

nothing further secret about them as marks ; as others seem to have adopted a triangle , a square , or an irregular bunch of lines , just as struck their fancy , without there being any secret meaning intendedthe craftsman , most probably , knowing far less about the properties of his triangle or square than a modern

school-boy—only we might expect that no two men working at the same building would be allowed to use the same mark . We must , therefore , consider that the style of the old Mason ' s marks was of an odd or even number of points , just as fancy led the workman , the fgreat meaning , or " secret , " about it—intended hy its use—being , that the owner of a certain mark worked or passed the stone on which that particular mark was found . —W . P . B .

BTJRGH RECORDS . From Extracts from the Council Eegister of the Burgh of Aberdeen . —Spalding Club : — 27 th June , 1483 . " The xxvii . dai of June , yer lxxxiii , it was rehersit be Dauid Menzes , master of the Kirk Warkthat it

, was appoyntit , decretit in lentern last by past , the tym _ of the aldermannis being in Edinburgh , at the Parliament , betuix the masownys of the luge ; that is to say , Richard Ancram , Andro Murray , James of Barry , Jobne Eussal , Johne of Knydrum , and Matho Wrycht , efter that thai war frendit and

accordit vpon certane debate and controuersy betuix tbaime , that gif ony tym tocum thairefter ony of thaim offendit til vther , that war fundin in a faute , for the first faute , he suld gif xx s . to Sanct Nicholace wark vnforgiven , and for the second faute , gif thai fautyt aganexl s . ; andif thai fautit the thrid t

, , g ym , to beexcludit out of the luge as a common forfautor . The quhilk ordinance , ye masownis forsaides has ratifiit and approvit this samyn day , before ye aldermen and consel , and newlingis oblist thame til observe the same be the faith of tliare bodiis . "

4 th May , 1484 . "The iiij day of May , anno Ixxxiiij ' - Maistre Johne Gray , mason , was resaint be the alderman , baillies , counsale , and communite of the burgh of Aberdene , in maistre of wark , to the bigging of Sanct Necolace Wark , quhilk has taken upon him to be

continuale labourand and diligent for the vpbringing of the said wark , and to do al car concerning the said wark that accordis til a maister of work , baith in labouring of his cnmjn personn , devysing , be seyng and ourseyng of vtiieris masons and warkmen that sal be vnder him , for al the dais of his lif , to the finale

completing and ending of the said wark , at al his possibilite and power , the best wyse that he can . For ye quhilkis thingis to be done he has , in the presence of the baillies , counsale , and communite forsaidis , gevin the gret bodely aith , to be lele and trew to the said wark for al the dais of his life vnto the

, completing and ending of the same . And the said maister of wark sal labour him self , and ger vtheris masons and warkmen vnder him labour daily and continually , efter the act of Parliament made thairupon . For the '

Masonic Notes And Queries.

quhilkis lahouris and seruice , to be done be the said maister of wark , the saidis alderman , baillies , counsale , and communite , has promittit to gif yerly to the said maister of wark , for his fil , twenty pundis and fyve inerkis , til a propyne in al costage endur and al the dais that he has to lif , quhil the said wark be complete .

And the day of his entra to the said wark the day of this present write . And this said some of xx iij lib . xvi s viij d yerly , to be pait til him at four terrnes in the yere , propareionaly , as thai and he sal accord best thairuponn . "—W . P . B .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

COEEESPONBENCE .

The Editor in not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent **

10 THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AWD MASOMTC MIBROH . Dear Sir and Brother , —Allow me space for a fewremarks on the letter in your number of this day from my friend the D . P . G . M . for Leicestershire ,, who , it appears to me , does not quite appreciate the position I have taken , fancying that I claim a precedencewhereas all I ask is permission to preside

, over a lodge of which I am a member , under certain circumstances of request and assent . Certainly he is right in supposing that I had no desire to misrepresent him , for I imagine that there is scarcely a difference between us . I have carefully perused his letter , and consider that I am justified in repeating

my words in your number of April 3 rd , that " custom and practice sanction a liberal interpretation of the law in the li ght which I regard it ; " for every one whom I have consulted seems to admit that , when a . W . M . asks a member of the lodge , being a P . M ., wherever he may have served as suchto act as his

, locum tenons and discharge all his duties , provided the P . M . ' s and Wardens of that lodge do not object , the P . M . may by courtesy properly assume the position without infringing the law . This was the original question , for exactly in such circumstances

was I placed . No complaint was made by anyone , and yet , in the absence of such complaint , I was informed by superior authority that I " could not properly preside on such an occasion , " that is , under any disability and importunity on the part of the W . M . and any amount of sanction on the part of the P . M . ' s and Wardens . I believe that if this

restriction be enforced upon me , I shall be the only P . M . in the country placed under such disability , for in one view which Bro . Kelly advances , he says that u brotherly courtesy " would admit the propriety of allowing a P . M . not of , but in , the lodge to preside when requested so to do . Tour other correspondent

, > h B * b , very properly asks what is to be done " in the c se of a loclge in the first year of its existence , where , of course , there is no I . P . M ., nor are there any P . M . ' s , assuming the W . M . to be unavoidably absent . " Another brother has suggested also the instance of a lodge in which there is no brother

capable of working the ceremony of installation , a very common one . I have often been called upon to take the chair for that purpose in lodges to which I did not belong , but , under present circumstances , it

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