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Lodge Music.

been published long ere this time a book with appropriate music and words for our several degrees , from which we mi ght have some choice of material to suit either our taste or capabilities ; a standard work , prepared or edited with such ability as to render it almost a necessity for every lodto possess at least

ge one copy . Perhaps our worthy and eminent brother , the P . G . Org . for Yorkshire , might take the hint , as I understand it was his intention some time ago to publish appropriate music for our Masonic degrees . Yours fraternallv , D . L . —I . X .

[ A complete edition of appropriate music to be used in lodge has been prepared b y Bros . Dr . H . Hopkins and Johnson , which will shortly be published . —En . F . ill ]

Ladies At The Festive Meetings.

LADIES AT THE FESTIVE MEETINGS .

TO IHE EDITOE , ' OE THE EBEEITASCWS' MAGAZINE AND 1 TASOHIC MEKOR . Dear Sir and Brother , —On perusing No . 45 S of your issue , I find a statement made by Bro . J . E . Wilson , R . W . M . of the Lodge Caledonian Railway ( No . 354 ) , at their festive meeting . He says that "it was also deserving of note that but a few years

since we did not hear in the province of Masonic festive gatherings which allowed the presence of the ladies , and that the first suggestion for a reform on this head and for the institution of Masonic festivals at which the pleasures of the evening coulcl be participated in by fair sisters ori ginated with this

lodge . " I beg to suggest to Bro . Wilson that he should not allow his locomotive propensities to travel so fast . Before the Caledonian Railway Lodge ( No . 354 ) had existence , such meetings were held in the sister Lod ges in the province . I remember being at such a meeting as that which took lace on the

p 27 th ult , three years before the charter was granted to No . 354 . Yours fraternally , THISTLE .

Red Cross Of Constantine.

RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE .

n ,- ' TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS' MAOA / JNE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I shall not attempt to follow your correspondent > £ through the involutions of his erratic epistle . It is so easy to prove a negative that I doubt not he and his friends are congratulating themselves upon having satisfactoril y that the Red

proved > k Order has " sprung forth a Pallas , armed , " from the creative brain of tho cloudcompelling Jupiter , Bro . Little , without having undergone the tedious process of development generally experienced in the history of similar fraternities . The late Archbishop Whatelwe knowsuccessfull

y , , y demonstrated the non-existence of a fabulous personage called Napoleon Bonaparte , and of course " we are equally bound to accept the ipse dixit of % upon the subject now under consideration . > b appears to be much in the position of the famous lawyerwhohaving " " abused the laintiff

, , no case , p ' s ' attorney ; but I trust , as he gathers experience , he will realise the truism that in Masonic discussiou , at least , ridicule is not always wit ; neither is abuse argument . I shall confine myself ; therefore , to

Red Cross Of Constantine.

stating a few facts relating to the Order in England , all of which can , if necessaiy , be supported by documentary evidence of such an indisputable character as perhaps has never entered within the dreams of > 5 <' s limited philosophy . The Order of the Red Cross of Constantineso far

, as regards its working in England , has been conferred upon Masons onlg . A Grand Council of the Order existed under Lord Rancliffe in 179 G . His Lordshi p was succeeded in 1804 by Consul-General Waller Rodwell Wright , who handed over his sceptre to the Duke of Susaex

, and his Royal Highness was followed by Bro . W . II . White , elected at the revival ; upon whose decease , in 1866 , Lord Kenlis was chosen as the Grand Sovereign of the Knights . So much for our monarchical succession . The Order has no connection with the American

degree given to Royal Arch Masons as a preliminary to that of the Templars . The term " Knight Grand Cross , " frequently used in its old records , would alone prove this assertion , as that designation is not to be found in any American ritual ; and , moreover , the historical traditions of the two Orders are totally

dissimilar—the one referring to events in the Christian era , and the other to circumstances said to have occurred in the reign of Darius , King of Persia . As a further proof , I may mention that Bro . W . H . White was installed as a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Constantine in 1809 , and did not become a Royal Arch Mason until 1811 . Ah imo disee omnes . In the records " of the Order the terms " Grand

, Council of this enlightened degree , " " general Masonic instruction , " "Craft Masons , " & c , used in connection with the members will surely he held sufficient to evince the relation borne by the Red Cross Knights to the Masonic fraternity ; and the service required of noviciates at a Grand or

Subordinate Council will equally demonstrate the existence of a ruling body . In addition to the testimony above referred to , a charter from Lord Rancliffe , bearing date 1796 , issued to Sir Knight Robert Gill and others , is still extant , and in the possession of the proper parties .

Again , the Order has never claimed jurisdiction over the Templars , or any other cognate association , as asserted by "A Templar" in a recent number of the Freemasons' Magazine ; neither has it ever been dependent upon that distinguished Order of Knighthood , although I am pleased to admit that many of

the most eminent Red Cross Knights in days gone by , as well as some at the present time , are also to be found upon the roll of the Knights Templar ; ancl , to quote "A Sketch of the History , & c , of the Red Cross Order , " ' - " " the two Orders , although kept strictly separate , worked amicably and harmoniously

together . " So mote it ever be , notwithstanding the foolish bluster of fy about " putting down" " spurious" degrees . There is but one more point to which I deem it necessary to draw the attention of your readers , viz ., to the insinuation that no ritual was used by the Knights in former days . It is true

that Knights of the Grand Cross were empowered to confer the Noviciate Cross upon any brother deemed worthy ; but such Noviciate Knig hts were afterwards

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
(No. 9.)—THE PROVINCE OF JERSEY. PART II. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
MASONIC LIFE-BOAT FUND. Article 8
LODGE MUSIC. Article 8
LADIES AT THE FESTIVE MEETINGS. Article 9
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 9
THE ORDER OF THE TEMPLE. Article 10
GLASGOW CHARTERS. Article 10
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
ROYAL FREEMASON'S' SCHOOL FOR FEMALE CHILDREN. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
NORTHUMBERLAND. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 18
LONDONDERRY AND DONEGAL . Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
SOUTH AUSTRALIA. Article 18
WEST INDIES. Article 19
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
MAKE MASONRY. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
RED CROSS KNIGHTS. Article 20
Poetry. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 23RD, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 23RD, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Lodge Music.

been published long ere this time a book with appropriate music and words for our several degrees , from which we mi ght have some choice of material to suit either our taste or capabilities ; a standard work , prepared or edited with such ability as to render it almost a necessity for every lodto possess at least

ge one copy . Perhaps our worthy and eminent brother , the P . G . Org . for Yorkshire , might take the hint , as I understand it was his intention some time ago to publish appropriate music for our Masonic degrees . Yours fraternallv , D . L . —I . X .

[ A complete edition of appropriate music to be used in lodge has been prepared b y Bros . Dr . H . Hopkins and Johnson , which will shortly be published . —En . F . ill ]

Ladies At The Festive Meetings.

LADIES AT THE FESTIVE MEETINGS .

TO IHE EDITOE , ' OE THE EBEEITASCWS' MAGAZINE AND 1 TASOHIC MEKOR . Dear Sir and Brother , —On perusing No . 45 S of your issue , I find a statement made by Bro . J . E . Wilson , R . W . M . of the Lodge Caledonian Railway ( No . 354 ) , at their festive meeting . He says that "it was also deserving of note that but a few years

since we did not hear in the province of Masonic festive gatherings which allowed the presence of the ladies , and that the first suggestion for a reform on this head and for the institution of Masonic festivals at which the pleasures of the evening coulcl be participated in by fair sisters ori ginated with this

lodge . " I beg to suggest to Bro . Wilson that he should not allow his locomotive propensities to travel so fast . Before the Caledonian Railway Lodge ( No . 354 ) had existence , such meetings were held in the sister Lod ges in the province . I remember being at such a meeting as that which took lace on the

p 27 th ult , three years before the charter was granted to No . 354 . Yours fraternally , THISTLE .

Red Cross Of Constantine.

RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE .

n ,- ' TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS' MAOA / JNE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I shall not attempt to follow your correspondent > £ through the involutions of his erratic epistle . It is so easy to prove a negative that I doubt not he and his friends are congratulating themselves upon having satisfactoril y that the Red

proved > k Order has " sprung forth a Pallas , armed , " from the creative brain of tho cloudcompelling Jupiter , Bro . Little , without having undergone the tedious process of development generally experienced in the history of similar fraternities . The late Archbishop Whatelwe knowsuccessfull

y , , y demonstrated the non-existence of a fabulous personage called Napoleon Bonaparte , and of course " we are equally bound to accept the ipse dixit of % upon the subject now under consideration . > b appears to be much in the position of the famous lawyerwhohaving " " abused the laintiff

, , no case , p ' s ' attorney ; but I trust , as he gathers experience , he will realise the truism that in Masonic discussiou , at least , ridicule is not always wit ; neither is abuse argument . I shall confine myself ; therefore , to

Red Cross Of Constantine.

stating a few facts relating to the Order in England , all of which can , if necessaiy , be supported by documentary evidence of such an indisputable character as perhaps has never entered within the dreams of > 5 <' s limited philosophy . The Order of the Red Cross of Constantineso far

, as regards its working in England , has been conferred upon Masons onlg . A Grand Council of the Order existed under Lord Rancliffe in 179 G . His Lordshi p was succeeded in 1804 by Consul-General Waller Rodwell Wright , who handed over his sceptre to the Duke of Susaex

, and his Royal Highness was followed by Bro . W . II . White , elected at the revival ; upon whose decease , in 1866 , Lord Kenlis was chosen as the Grand Sovereign of the Knights . So much for our monarchical succession . The Order has no connection with the American

degree given to Royal Arch Masons as a preliminary to that of the Templars . The term " Knight Grand Cross , " frequently used in its old records , would alone prove this assertion , as that designation is not to be found in any American ritual ; and , moreover , the historical traditions of the two Orders are totally

dissimilar—the one referring to events in the Christian era , and the other to circumstances said to have occurred in the reign of Darius , King of Persia . As a further proof , I may mention that Bro . W . H . White was installed as a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Constantine in 1809 , and did not become a Royal Arch Mason until 1811 . Ah imo disee omnes . In the records " of the Order the terms " Grand

, Council of this enlightened degree , " " general Masonic instruction , " "Craft Masons , " & c , used in connection with the members will surely he held sufficient to evince the relation borne by the Red Cross Knights to the Masonic fraternity ; and the service required of noviciates at a Grand or

Subordinate Council will equally demonstrate the existence of a ruling body . In addition to the testimony above referred to , a charter from Lord Rancliffe , bearing date 1796 , issued to Sir Knight Robert Gill and others , is still extant , and in the possession of the proper parties .

Again , the Order has never claimed jurisdiction over the Templars , or any other cognate association , as asserted by "A Templar" in a recent number of the Freemasons' Magazine ; neither has it ever been dependent upon that distinguished Order of Knighthood , although I am pleased to admit that many of

the most eminent Red Cross Knights in days gone by , as well as some at the present time , are also to be found upon the roll of the Knights Templar ; ancl , to quote "A Sketch of the History , & c , of the Red Cross Order , " ' - " " the two Orders , although kept strictly separate , worked amicably and harmoniously

together . " So mote it ever be , notwithstanding the foolish bluster of fy about " putting down" " spurious" degrees . There is but one more point to which I deem it necessary to draw the attention of your readers , viz ., to the insinuation that no ritual was used by the Knights in former days . It is true

that Knights of the Grand Cross were empowered to confer the Noviciate Cross upon any brother deemed worthy ; but such Noviciate Knig hts were afterwards

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