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The High Degrees And Bro. Manningham.

THE HIGH DEGREES AND BRO . MANNINGHAM .

TO THE EDITOR OF THB FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIO MIEROB . Dear Sir and Brother , —There will he at last an end of dispute relating to the origin of the so-called high degrees . From the Haag ( Netherlands ) I received the following letter of Bro . Hirtzveld , with an article on

" Freemasonry , its origin , & c , " a very interesting , diligent , and important lecture , printed in the " Freemasons' Year-book , " of which a translation into the German -will be published in the next issue of the " Annual Communications of the Union of German Freemasons . " As there are some corresponding

members of the union in England and Scotland , I do not doubt , a translation into English will be furnished to you for this Magazine . Yours fraternally ,

J . G . FINDEL . The letter runs on in this way : —¦ "Yery "Worsh . and dear Bro . —Your valuable " History of Freemasonry " has gained an unexpected confirmation in some of its most important points . A -witnesswhose honour and competence no one can

, dispute , has risen from his tomb after more than one hundred years' slumber , to testify to the truth of some historical facts . " By means of a happy event there has come into my hands a communication from the famous Deputy Grand Master of EnglandBro . Manninghamto the

, , then Grand Lodge of the Netherlands , dated London , 12 th July , 1757 , which proves ( 1 . ) that no higher degrees , with the only exception of the three Craft degrees , belong to pure ancient Freemasonry ; ( 2 ) , that before 1717 the now existing rituals have been worked j ( 3 ) , that the introduction of the so-called

high degrees took place after 1740 . " This estimable document , put down in the archives of our Grand Lodge , I have published , with other letters belonging to it , and my remarks and notes in the' Yrijmetselaars Yaarbookje . ' " Of your work I have made use to some extent , and you will be glad , I hope , to receive a copy of my lecture , " & c . Yours fraternally ,

" Bro . L . H . HEETZVELD , " Member of the Council of the L'Union Eoyal , & c . " "Haag , " 21 st April , 1868 . " "To Bro . J . G . Findel , Leipzig . "

The letter of Bro . Manningam to Bro . Saner , at Haag , runs on in this way : — "Sir and Bro . —I am quite ashamed that your obliging letter should lay by me so long unanswered , but I hope you will excuse me when I assure you it was not owing to neglect or disrespect ; but -want of

opportunity to satisfy myself on some points relating to the variety of Masonry , and you mention the name of Scotch Masonry . "I was determined to consult our brethren in Scotland , particularly our Bro . Lord Aberdour , who is son and heir to the Earl of Morton , and an exceeding good Mason , as such he has filled the chair in Scotland , and his lordship is now-elected Grand

Master in England , on the Marquis of Carnarvon's resignation . "Lord Aberdour and all the Scotch Masons ( or rather Scotch gentlemen that are Masons ) that I have conversed with—and I have made it my business to consult many—are entirely unacquainted with the

forms and titles you mention , and which you justly call the charlatanery of Masonry . Amongst some of our lowest brethren , J have met with , and frequently heard of such irregularities—irregularities I justly call them , because they deviate so much from our usual ceremonies , and are so full of innovations , that

in process of time the ancient landmarks will be destroyed by the fertile genius of brethren who will improve or alter , if only to give specimen of their abilities and imaginary consequence , so that in a few years it will be as difficult to understand Masonry as to distinguish the points or accents of theHebrew or Greek language , now almost obscured by the iudustry of critics and commentators .

" Three foreign gentlemen and Masons lately visited the lodge I belong to , and were introduced by me to the Grand Lodge and the Grand East ; by discoursing / with these gentlemen I find that in Germany , Holland , and Switzerland in some places have Orders of Masons unknown to us , viz ., Knights of the >

Sword , of the Eagle , of the Holy Land , with a long train of et ceteras . Surely these points of Masonry must be wonderful , I am certain they are very new ; . besides , these dignified and distinguished Orders , I find , have signs , tokens , & c , peculiar to their respective dignitiesand adorn themselves with different

, coloured ribbons . " I should be glad , with your assistance and tho assistance of the brethren in Holland , to settle these intricate and confused points , and wish to know ( especially from the brethren who distinguish themselves by the denomination of Scotch Masons ) from

whence they received their constitution ; the Grand Master of Scotland , who , I presume they acknowledge head of their society , being entirely unacquainted with their Order . To Lord Aberdour and several other Scotch noblemen and gentlemen that are good

Masons , I have to communicate your letter , likewise the information I received from those foreign brethren , one of whom was an officer in the Dutch service ; but from the strictest enquiries I can make , can only say they have racked their genius ancl endeavours to make Masonry unintelligible and useless . " These innovations are of very late yearsand I

, believe the brethren will find a difficulty to produce a Mason acquainted with any such forms , twenty , nay , ten years . My own father has been a Mason these fifty years , and has been at lodges in Holland , France , and England . He knows none of these ceremonies . Grand Master Paynewho succeeded

, Sir Christopher Wren , is a stranger to them , as is likewise one old brother of ninety , who I conversed with lately . This brother assures me he was made a Mason in his youth , and has constantly frequented lodges till rendered incapable by his advanced age , and never heardor knewany other ceremonies

or-, , words than those used in general amongst us ; such forms were delivered to him , and those lie has retained . As to Knights of the Sword , Eagle , & c , the knowledge of them never reached his ears till I informed him of them . The only Orders that we know are

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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
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WOMAN AND MASONRY. Article 7
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MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
MASONIC INTOLERANCE. Article 12
THE DRUIDS. Article 12
THE HIGH DEGREES AND BRO. MANNINGHAM. Article 13
THE HOT WEATHER, AND ITS INFLUENCE ON SCOTTISH FREEMASONRY. Article 14
MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 15
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 15
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MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
THE LATE DR. STEVENS. Article 19
CHURCH AID. Article 19
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METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING AUGUST 22. 1868. Article 20
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The High Degrees And Bro. Manningham.

THE HIGH DEGREES AND BRO . MANNINGHAM .

TO THE EDITOR OF THB FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIO MIEROB . Dear Sir and Brother , —There will he at last an end of dispute relating to the origin of the so-called high degrees . From the Haag ( Netherlands ) I received the following letter of Bro . Hirtzveld , with an article on

" Freemasonry , its origin , & c , " a very interesting , diligent , and important lecture , printed in the " Freemasons' Year-book , " of which a translation into the German -will be published in the next issue of the " Annual Communications of the Union of German Freemasons . " As there are some corresponding

members of the union in England and Scotland , I do not doubt , a translation into English will be furnished to you for this Magazine . Yours fraternally ,

J . G . FINDEL . The letter runs on in this way : —¦ "Yery "Worsh . and dear Bro . —Your valuable " History of Freemasonry " has gained an unexpected confirmation in some of its most important points . A -witnesswhose honour and competence no one can

, dispute , has risen from his tomb after more than one hundred years' slumber , to testify to the truth of some historical facts . " By means of a happy event there has come into my hands a communication from the famous Deputy Grand Master of EnglandBro . Manninghamto the

, , then Grand Lodge of the Netherlands , dated London , 12 th July , 1757 , which proves ( 1 . ) that no higher degrees , with the only exception of the three Craft degrees , belong to pure ancient Freemasonry ; ( 2 ) , that before 1717 the now existing rituals have been worked j ( 3 ) , that the introduction of the so-called

high degrees took place after 1740 . " This estimable document , put down in the archives of our Grand Lodge , I have published , with other letters belonging to it , and my remarks and notes in the' Yrijmetselaars Yaarbookje . ' " Of your work I have made use to some extent , and you will be glad , I hope , to receive a copy of my lecture , " & c . Yours fraternally ,

" Bro . L . H . HEETZVELD , " Member of the Council of the L'Union Eoyal , & c . " "Haag , " 21 st April , 1868 . " "To Bro . J . G . Findel , Leipzig . "

The letter of Bro . Manningam to Bro . Saner , at Haag , runs on in this way : — "Sir and Bro . —I am quite ashamed that your obliging letter should lay by me so long unanswered , but I hope you will excuse me when I assure you it was not owing to neglect or disrespect ; but -want of

opportunity to satisfy myself on some points relating to the variety of Masonry , and you mention the name of Scotch Masonry . "I was determined to consult our brethren in Scotland , particularly our Bro . Lord Aberdour , who is son and heir to the Earl of Morton , and an exceeding good Mason , as such he has filled the chair in Scotland , and his lordship is now-elected Grand

Master in England , on the Marquis of Carnarvon's resignation . "Lord Aberdour and all the Scotch Masons ( or rather Scotch gentlemen that are Masons ) that I have conversed with—and I have made it my business to consult many—are entirely unacquainted with the

forms and titles you mention , and which you justly call the charlatanery of Masonry . Amongst some of our lowest brethren , J have met with , and frequently heard of such irregularities—irregularities I justly call them , because they deviate so much from our usual ceremonies , and are so full of innovations , that

in process of time the ancient landmarks will be destroyed by the fertile genius of brethren who will improve or alter , if only to give specimen of their abilities and imaginary consequence , so that in a few years it will be as difficult to understand Masonry as to distinguish the points or accents of theHebrew or Greek language , now almost obscured by the iudustry of critics and commentators .

" Three foreign gentlemen and Masons lately visited the lodge I belong to , and were introduced by me to the Grand Lodge and the Grand East ; by discoursing / with these gentlemen I find that in Germany , Holland , and Switzerland in some places have Orders of Masons unknown to us , viz ., Knights of the >

Sword , of the Eagle , of the Holy Land , with a long train of et ceteras . Surely these points of Masonry must be wonderful , I am certain they are very new ; . besides , these dignified and distinguished Orders , I find , have signs , tokens , & c , peculiar to their respective dignitiesand adorn themselves with different

, coloured ribbons . " I should be glad , with your assistance and tho assistance of the brethren in Holland , to settle these intricate and confused points , and wish to know ( especially from the brethren who distinguish themselves by the denomination of Scotch Masons ) from

whence they received their constitution ; the Grand Master of Scotland , who , I presume they acknowledge head of their society , being entirely unacquainted with their Order . To Lord Aberdour and several other Scotch noblemen and gentlemen that are good

Masons , I have to communicate your letter , likewise the information I received from those foreign brethren , one of whom was an officer in the Dutch service ; but from the strictest enquiries I can make , can only say they have racked their genius ancl endeavours to make Masonry unintelligible and useless . " These innovations are of very late yearsand I

, believe the brethren will find a difficulty to produce a Mason acquainted with any such forms , twenty , nay , ten years . My own father has been a Mason these fifty years , and has been at lodges in Holland , France , and England . He knows none of these ceremonies . Grand Master Paynewho succeeded

, Sir Christopher Wren , is a stranger to them , as is likewise one old brother of ninety , who I conversed with lately . This brother assures me he was made a Mason in his youth , and has constantly frequented lodges till rendered incapable by his advanced age , and never heardor knewany other ceremonies

or-, , words than those used in general amongst us ; such forms were delivered to him , and those lie has retained . As to Knights of the Sword , Eagle , & c , the knowledge of them never reached his ears till I informed him of them . The only Orders that we know are

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