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faith , while at the same time , in political affairs , they were as determined as any Protestants could be in upholding what they deemed the interests of their country , totally independent of all papal pretensions . The Tfltramontanists , on the contrary , were content with no half measures . They placed no limitations

whatever on papal pretensions to an infallible supremacy , both ecclesiastical and temporal . They regarded the Pope as infallible , per se—as having a Divine jurisdiction over the whole world to reign supreme , not only in spirituals , but in temporals also , - and it was thus apparent that Ultramontane doctrine was

totall y inconsistent with the independent sovereignty of nations , because it affirmed that a primary and unconditional allegiance was due to the Pope , as the " Vicegerent of Christ , " before which all ties of loyalty and nationality were to be considered as rotten straws . *

EITES OE EEEEMASONKT ( page 4 S 1 ) . I have read the " Compilation" by "LI . W . L . " and find that the corrections of page 29 are improvements . However , there are still a few mistakes left , especially as to the remarks on the Eoyal Order , which are s i mply fallacious . He . should read page 206 of

Pindel ' s new edition of bis "History of freemasonry . " indastotbe Kn i ghts Templar " still existing (!) as a variety of high grade Preemasonry , " the idea is both rntrue and preposterous—yea , verily , it is simply mother Masonic imposition , which I trust Bro . LI . "W . L . in his next ' ¦ ' Compilation" wi ' . see fit to correct . — \ V . P . BUCHAN .

THE POPS JiSO PEEEKASONET . The following . remarks of a writer m thenew illusi . ated paper , the Grr , pt '> ic , may be interesting to the readers oi ilie Frccivas-on ' s Magazine . I am very much H the same calt-go . 'v as the " writer—I have nearly forgotten nil th e Latin 1 ever knew ; but I think the Latm for Mason is Laiomv . s . The Graphic says : —

Lnless I a :-, ] very uracil mi staken—but 1 never was a good classical schclai—the L ; . t u for Mason is tvpicUa ; but in " ecclesiastical Latin / ' a ? we , c : 'd if not from the epistolary outpourings of u-- . Cumming . hut ij-oin the k ' . it Bull of the Popecursing one—the J ^ -thi ibv Ulusun is ¦ indisonicus or maswiuca . ibiOiiicn du . iitri ier ' a Mc- 'ohk-a out Carbonari a , aid ali ' < s efrsdemgeneris u-clh qua- contra Ji < -c : esk ' m r . el iegilimaj poiesUUes seupelau «•< : chuidnil . n m ^ hinanlure' &•& ThusPio

; ., c . , JSono , a incuicon . in the in-ac place , has no more afli . iii . y to aCarljouaro LI ,:. ] , \\ -, . Yfhaiii ¦; ha ., to ( lie Pope , or A-clibis * i ; up Alauning to tne Gru . u Vance . But leu that pass . The Pope Jvitcs iiie fnuiiasoos . ami ela > s . s ihc ' ii with ( Jiu'bounri , Paiiaiis , U hoc genus o > , >; e , hic-. m-. k : Ih . 'y have an each of s' -crecy among themselves , which hay reuse looivi'lge in confession . 1 wonder JJ the Pope IUV re : ci the words of Jawing , the German philosophervJiu wrote i he

, , ivgcdy o , " Nal . ltunlhe Wise . Thins is a ,- ny ioldi . 1 J . i :. sing ' s li . e wh'cli niigsit be consolatory to his Holiness winu he is ij-oiibl . il \ , ith alaims as to llie political machination .- < i \ hi' : ; eeUe Mc ^ sunicis out Carbonuria . Lesshig was iniiiati : ' . ; i : i , ( , jfnso ; i ; y at JJm . ilung ; and niter bis adniis-S ' . ou , the : > lnst ,. , oj- , ha lodge obse ¦ nd , ' " Well , do you iind that ¦ ere is aiij i in , •; ¦ against Chinch or Nate in our institution ?" ' „'' ¦ " >• " PU . MV l- ' ou'i ! wi riy' ( juolli the philosopher , " then Were Koutd be sonic-l / unii in it "

1 HE OKDEE 01 ' THE TEITPEE . IN SCOTLAND . The cross or badge of the Order in Scotland is a black cross with a while orle , charged with a red

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cross . This is taken from the Beauseaut or Beaueeant , the black aud white banner , and also unites in the red eioss the Vexellum Belli , or white standard , with the red cross in the centre . I have not heard anything of Lite about the international commission for adjusting the differences between Scotland and England , I sincerely trust the arrangement has not fallen through . —EQUES TEMPI , ! .

PAST MASTEE S DEGEEE . As the Grand Lodge of England , according to the Book of Constitutions , does not acknowledge this degree , several brethren who are in possession of it have resolved to apply to the Grand E . A . Chapter of Scotland for a warrant under which it may be

legallyconferred . "When will the Grand Lodge of England learn wisdom , and end all the petty jealousies about degrees , by making itself , as a body , a little more liberal-minded and tolerant . It is too late in the day for any man or body of men to be the keepers of the consciences and minds or others . —A MASONIC EADICAL .

BEO . BUCHAN AND THE I 7 l 7 THEOEY . Bro . Buchan ' s 1717 date may be correct . I know not nor do I care . It does not matter in the slightest degree , in my mind , whether Preemasonry was established . in the reign of jSTirnrod or of Napoleon , or whether it dntes from the building of Solomon's

Temple or St . Paul's Cathedral , or both , or neither . I believe iu its present existence . I say in all seriousness , and I speak the sentiments of the most eminent brethren in his native city , that Bro . W " . P . Buchan has , by his intemperate letters to the Daily Mail , a Glasgow journalhaving a large circulation in

Scot-, land , done very much injury to the cause he professes to support , and has materially assisted to considerably lower the Craft in the eyes of the outer world . Let me ask this undoubtedly talented brother to devote his energies to reforming the abuses in the province of Glasgow ; and when he has succeeded in abolishing ,

the vile practice of giving the three degrees in one m ' ght indiscriminately , when the class of candidates ismore select , and when the unworthy are not admitted for tbe sole purpose of obtaining fees , then let Bro . Buchan pursue his design of reforming the Craft at large . 1 give Bro . Buchan all the credit he deserves

for his earnestness aud zeal—I am very sorry to think they are misapplied . So long as Preemasonry lets her light sbiue before men , that they see her good works of charity and benevolence , so long will the brethren of the mystic tie increase their numbers and multiply their lodges j and at present we are justified iu altering the words of

Tennyson' ' Tho' men may come , and men may go , Preemasonry goes on for ever . " I admire Bro . Bucban ' s literary style , but—toujours perdri . v is a little too monotonous . —Bos ALBUS . TUB BITE OP THE GEAND BODGE OE THE THBEE GLOBUS AT BEELIN .

Can any of your readers inform me what hi gh degrees are worked in the above rite ?—11 . ? K THE SUPEEJIE GEAND COUNCIL . Why does not the above body publish a balance sheet or otherwise inform the members of its Bite what becomes of the monies they subscribe ?—It . * .

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faith , while at the same time , in political affairs , they were as determined as any Protestants could be in upholding what they deemed the interests of their country , totally independent of all papal pretensions . The Tfltramontanists , on the contrary , were content with no half measures . They placed no limitations

whatever on papal pretensions to an infallible supremacy , both ecclesiastical and temporal . They regarded the Pope as infallible , per se—as having a Divine jurisdiction over the whole world to reign supreme , not only in spirituals , but in temporals also , - and it was thus apparent that Ultramontane doctrine was

totall y inconsistent with the independent sovereignty of nations , because it affirmed that a primary and unconditional allegiance was due to the Pope , as the " Vicegerent of Christ , " before which all ties of loyalty and nationality were to be considered as rotten straws . *

EITES OE EEEEMASONKT ( page 4 S 1 ) . I have read the " Compilation" by "LI . W . L . " and find that the corrections of page 29 are improvements . However , there are still a few mistakes left , especially as to the remarks on the Eoyal Order , which are s i mply fallacious . He . should read page 206 of

Pindel ' s new edition of bis "History of freemasonry . " indastotbe Kn i ghts Templar " still existing (!) as a variety of high grade Preemasonry , " the idea is both rntrue and preposterous—yea , verily , it is simply mother Masonic imposition , which I trust Bro . LI . "W . L . in his next ' ¦ ' Compilation" wi ' . see fit to correct . — \ V . P . BUCHAN .

THE POPS JiSO PEEEKASONET . The following . remarks of a writer m thenew illusi . ated paper , the Grr , pt '> ic , may be interesting to the readers oi ilie Frccivas-on ' s Magazine . I am very much H the same calt-go . 'v as the " writer—I have nearly forgotten nil th e Latin 1 ever knew ; but I think the Latm for Mason is Laiomv . s . The Graphic says : —

Lnless I a :-, ] very uracil mi staken—but 1 never was a good classical schclai—the L ; . t u for Mason is tvpicUa ; but in " ecclesiastical Latin / ' a ? we , c : 'd if not from the epistolary outpourings of u-- . Cumming . hut ij-oin the k ' . it Bull of the Popecursing one—the J ^ -thi ibv Ulusun is ¦ indisonicus or maswiuca . ibiOiiicn du . iitri ier ' a Mc- 'ohk-a out Carbonari a , aid ali ' < s efrsdemgeneris u-clh qua- contra Ji < -c : esk ' m r . el iegilimaj poiesUUes seupelau «•< : chuidnil . n m ^ hinanlure' &•& ThusPio

; ., c . , JSono , a incuicon . in the in-ac place , has no more afli . iii . y to aCarljouaro LI ,:. ] , \\ -, . Yfhaiii ¦; ha ., to ( lie Pope , or A-clibis * i ; up Alauning to tne Gru . u Vance . But leu that pass . The Pope Jvitcs iiie fnuiiasoos . ami ela > s . s ihc ' ii with ( Jiu'bounri , Paiiaiis , U hoc genus o > , >; e , hic-. m-. k : Ih . 'y have an each of s' -crecy among themselves , which hay reuse looivi'lge in confession . 1 wonder JJ the Pope IUV re : ci the words of Jawing , the German philosophervJiu wrote i he

, , ivgcdy o , " Nal . ltunlhe Wise . Thins is a ,- ny ioldi . 1 J . i :. sing ' s li . e wh'cli niigsit be consolatory to his Holiness winu he is ij-oiibl . il \ , ith alaims as to llie political machination .- < i \ hi' : ; eeUe Mc ^ sunicis out Carbonuria . Lesshig was iniiiati : ' . ; i : i , ( , jfnso ; i ; y at JJm . ilung ; and niter bis adniis-S ' . ou , the : > lnst ,. , oj- , ha lodge obse ¦ nd , ' " Well , do you iind that ¦ ere is aiij i in , •; ¦ against Chinch or Nate in our institution ?" ' „'' ¦ " >• " PU . MV l- ' ou'i ! wi riy' ( juolli the philosopher , " then Were Koutd be sonic-l / unii in it "

1 HE OKDEE 01 ' THE TEITPEE . IN SCOTLAND . The cross or badge of the Order in Scotland is a black cross with a while orle , charged with a red

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cross . This is taken from the Beauseaut or Beaueeant , the black aud white banner , and also unites in the red eioss the Vexellum Belli , or white standard , with the red cross in the centre . I have not heard anything of Lite about the international commission for adjusting the differences between Scotland and England , I sincerely trust the arrangement has not fallen through . —EQUES TEMPI , ! .

PAST MASTEE S DEGEEE . As the Grand Lodge of England , according to the Book of Constitutions , does not acknowledge this degree , several brethren who are in possession of it have resolved to apply to the Grand E . A . Chapter of Scotland for a warrant under which it may be

legallyconferred . "When will the Grand Lodge of England learn wisdom , and end all the petty jealousies about degrees , by making itself , as a body , a little more liberal-minded and tolerant . It is too late in the day for any man or body of men to be the keepers of the consciences and minds or others . —A MASONIC EADICAL .

BEO . BUCHAN AND THE I 7 l 7 THEOEY . Bro . Buchan ' s 1717 date may be correct . I know not nor do I care . It does not matter in the slightest degree , in my mind , whether Preemasonry was established . in the reign of jSTirnrod or of Napoleon , or whether it dntes from the building of Solomon's

Temple or St . Paul's Cathedral , or both , or neither . I believe iu its present existence . I say in all seriousness , and I speak the sentiments of the most eminent brethren in his native city , that Bro . W " . P . Buchan has , by his intemperate letters to the Daily Mail , a Glasgow journalhaving a large circulation in

Scot-, land , done very much injury to the cause he professes to support , and has materially assisted to considerably lower the Craft in the eyes of the outer world . Let me ask this undoubtedly talented brother to devote his energies to reforming the abuses in the province of Glasgow ; and when he has succeeded in abolishing ,

the vile practice of giving the three degrees in one m ' ght indiscriminately , when the class of candidates ismore select , and when the unworthy are not admitted for tbe sole purpose of obtaining fees , then let Bro . Buchan pursue his design of reforming the Craft at large . 1 give Bro . Buchan all the credit he deserves

for his earnestness aud zeal—I am very sorry to think they are misapplied . So long as Preemasonry lets her light sbiue before men , that they see her good works of charity and benevolence , so long will the brethren of the mystic tie increase their numbers and multiply their lodges j and at present we are justified iu altering the words of

Tennyson' ' Tho' men may come , and men may go , Preemasonry goes on for ever . " I admire Bro . Bucban ' s literary style , but—toujours perdri . v is a little too monotonous . —Bos ALBUS . TUB BITE OP THE GEAND BODGE OE THE THBEE GLOBUS AT BEELIN .

Can any of your readers inform me what hi gh degrees are worked in the above rite ?—11 . ? K THE SUPEEJIE GEAND COUNCIL . Why does not the above body publish a balance sheet or otherwise inform the members of its Bite what becomes of the monies they subscribe ?—It . * .

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