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Masonic Mems.

MASONIC MEMS .

THE MASONIC MIBROR . * * * All communications to be addressed to 19 , Salisbury-street , " Strand , London , W . C .

THE next annual meeting of tbe Provincial Grand lodge of Cornwall is to be held at Liskeard on Tuesday , tbe 23 vd me , at 10 a . m . The R . W . Bro . Augustus Smith , Prov . G . Master , Avill preside . An annuitant Avill be elected for the benefit of the Cormvall Masonic Annuity Fund , and othor business of importance will bo transacted . Bro . the Eev . Dr . Treffry is

expected to preach . THE foundation stone of the Eoyal Albert Asylum for Idiots and Imbeciles of the Northern Counties , will be laid by the Eight Hon . the Earl of Zetland , K . T ., at Lancaster , on June 17 th . The M . W . Grand Master will hold an especial Grand Lodge at the Palatine Hall , Lancaster , at one o ' clock

precisely , prior to the ceremony . THE Prov . G . M . for Kent , Bro . Viscount Holniesdale , ilf . P . has called a preparatory meeting of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Kent , to be holden at the Eose Hotel , Canterbury , on Wednesday next , the 17 th inst ., to make arrangements for the usua l Grand Festival .

SOMEBSET . —A Provincial Grand Lodge will be held at the George Hotel , Glastonbury , on Tuesday , the 16 th inst . The Provincial Grand Lodge will open at high twelve precisely , and proceed to visit the Lodge of Pilgrims , Glastonbury .

United Geand Lodge.

UNITED GEAND LODGE .

In our last week ' s number Ave inserted the report of the Board of General Purposes , and the following discussion arose upon it , which we wore last week unable to find room for . THE JOEDAS - LODGE ( NO . 201 ) . The President of the Board ( Bro . L . Evans ) said he hacl to call the attention of Grand Lodge to tbe second paragraph iu

the report , and which concluded with a resolution AA'hich the Board proposed for the adoption of the Grand Lodge . The subject , he believed , hacl been so fairly stated in tlie report that he had only to add a few observations to what he did not choose to put into it . From the evidence brought before the Board ifc appeared that not only bad seven jiersons been

initiated , but had all been obligated at one and the same time , which he felt Avas a very reprehensible practice , and from the punishment which had been received by tbe Jordan Lodge , if such should prevail in other lodges , ho trusted they voould see that such a practice could not conduce to the interests of Freemasonry , if the ceremonies were not conducted in a decent and

proper manner . It was bis firm and decided opinion that every candidate should be introduced and obligated separately to keep up tbe dignity and importance of the Order . He believed , however , that by the suspension that had taken place of the Jordan Lodgo that it had been sufficiently punished , without resorting to tbe penalty of erasure . The question the Board

had to consider for such an offence was not one merely of suspension , but of erasure , and under all tbe circumstances the Board , taking a merciful vieiv of the case , did not recommend erasure , trusting that what had taken place AVOUICI be a warning to them to conduct their ceremonies decently and in order , and in conformity with the "Book of Constitutions , " more closely than tbey hacl hitherto clone . He moved— " That , under the circumstances , the penalty of erasure , as regards the Jordan

Lodge ( No . 201 ) , be remitted , but that the suspension of the said lodge be continued , with power to the Board of General Purposes to remove the same on due submission being made , and on such conditions as the Board may seem fit to impose . " Bro . Savage , P . G . D ., in seconding the motion , saicl he entirely endorsed all the observations made by the President of the

Board of General Purposes as to the irregularities of the Jordan Lodge . He agreed that the extreme penalty should not be carried out , and he should have much regretted if such a conclusion had been arrived at ; bufc that great irregularities had been committed he felt certain . Two great Incites had been committed by tbe Jordan Lodge—first , in initiating seven

brethren at the same time without a dispensation from the Grand Master , and contrary to the " Book of Constitutions , " as they must have known there was a limit to the number to be initiated , and which they ought not to have exceeded . Therefore , in doing so , there was a great breach of Masonic law , but there was a still greater one in obligating all these

candidatesat tho same time . He was thoroughly astonished when the fact came out in evidence , for it Avas a proceeding most objectionable in every sense of the Avord . For his part he objected to seven , five , or even two candidates being obligated at the same time ; and although he had heard of it being clone before , he considered that it was most objectionable , for it was his opinion thafc

in the interest of their Order every candidate should be obligated separately . Although there was no written law , there was an unwritten law , which was well known , upon the subject , that two candidates should not be obligated together .

Bro . Bedford , P . G . Chap ., denied the irregularity , and saicl at the institution of their Order K . S . did not stop to inquire or consider whether his candidates should be obligated one by one ; . and he believed that nothing would tend more to promote irregularity than an undue straining of the written law of Freemasonry .

Bro . Havers , P . G . W ., saicl they wore not in the same position as they were in the days of K . S ., their first Grand Master , and what might have been wise in his time could not be adopted at tho present . He ( Bro . Havers ) hacl been a member of the Jordan Lodge , and when he Avas in the chair they did not have present more than three or four members , and they

often hacl to get two or tliree waiters to make up the number of a lodge . He held , however , that nothing conduced more to keep up the state and dignity of Freemasonry than by giving a due formality , solemnity , and respect to tho first ceremony of initiation , ancl he hoped that tbey would adhere to their traditions .

Bro . Winn , as an olcl member , was understood to say , amidst some confusion that prevailed , that with a large amount of business to get through , the principle laid down of only obligating one candidate at a time could not always be adhered to . Bro . Victor Williamson , P . G . W ., saicl he agreed that , under ordinary circumstances , the obligation to each candidate should

bo administered separately , but at the same time he agreed Avith 3 ro . Bedford thafc they should not be in a hurry to pass stringent resolutions , which might disturb the harmony which ivas noAV the distinguishing feature of Freemasonry . If they were to adopt the recommendation now made as anile , Avhich it Avas said was an unwritten law , life would be too short for a

W . Master to perform his duties . Let them discourage the practice as a rule , but not pass a hard line , like the law of tlie Medes and Persians . Let them leave the W . Master to possess the power , but at the same time to use it very sparingly . In this case the irregularities were pointed out , but tbey were persevered in , and therefore he Avas in favour of the recommendation of the Board of General Purposes .

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No. XII.—DOYLES LODGE, GUERNSEY. Article 1
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 4
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
DR. ROB. MORRIS AND FREEMASONRY AT DAMASCUS. Article 10
MASONIC MUSIC. Article 10
Untitled Article 11
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
UNITED GEAND LODGE. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
HIGH KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
RED CROSS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 20TH, 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 20TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Mems.

MASONIC MEMS .

THE MASONIC MIBROR . * * * All communications to be addressed to 19 , Salisbury-street , " Strand , London , W . C .

THE next annual meeting of tbe Provincial Grand lodge of Cornwall is to be held at Liskeard on Tuesday , tbe 23 vd me , at 10 a . m . The R . W . Bro . Augustus Smith , Prov . G . Master , Avill preside . An annuitant Avill be elected for the benefit of the Cormvall Masonic Annuity Fund , and othor business of importance will bo transacted . Bro . the Eev . Dr . Treffry is

expected to preach . THE foundation stone of the Eoyal Albert Asylum for Idiots and Imbeciles of the Northern Counties , will be laid by the Eight Hon . the Earl of Zetland , K . T ., at Lancaster , on June 17 th . The M . W . Grand Master will hold an especial Grand Lodge at the Palatine Hall , Lancaster , at one o ' clock

precisely , prior to the ceremony . THE Prov . G . M . for Kent , Bro . Viscount Holniesdale , ilf . P . has called a preparatory meeting of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Kent , to be holden at the Eose Hotel , Canterbury , on Wednesday next , the 17 th inst ., to make arrangements for the usua l Grand Festival .

SOMEBSET . —A Provincial Grand Lodge will be held at the George Hotel , Glastonbury , on Tuesday , the 16 th inst . The Provincial Grand Lodge will open at high twelve precisely , and proceed to visit the Lodge of Pilgrims , Glastonbury .

United Geand Lodge.

UNITED GEAND LODGE .

In our last week ' s number Ave inserted the report of the Board of General Purposes , and the following discussion arose upon it , which we wore last week unable to find room for . THE JOEDAS - LODGE ( NO . 201 ) . The President of the Board ( Bro . L . Evans ) said he hacl to call the attention of Grand Lodge to tbe second paragraph iu

the report , and which concluded with a resolution AA'hich the Board proposed for the adoption of the Grand Lodge . The subject , he believed , hacl been so fairly stated in tlie report that he had only to add a few observations to what he did not choose to put into it . From the evidence brought before the Board ifc appeared that not only bad seven jiersons been

initiated , but had all been obligated at one and the same time , which he felt Avas a very reprehensible practice , and from the punishment which had been received by tbe Jordan Lodge , if such should prevail in other lodges , ho trusted they voould see that such a practice could not conduce to the interests of Freemasonry , if the ceremonies were not conducted in a decent and

proper manner . It was bis firm and decided opinion that every candidate should be introduced and obligated separately to keep up tbe dignity and importance of the Order . He believed , however , that by the suspension that had taken place of the Jordan Lodgo that it had been sufficiently punished , without resorting to tbe penalty of erasure . The question the Board

had to consider for such an offence was not one merely of suspension , but of erasure , and under all tbe circumstances the Board , taking a merciful vieiv of the case , did not recommend erasure , trusting that what had taken place AVOUICI be a warning to them to conduct their ceremonies decently and in order , and in conformity with the "Book of Constitutions , " more closely than tbey hacl hitherto clone . He moved— " That , under the circumstances , the penalty of erasure , as regards the Jordan

Lodge ( No . 201 ) , be remitted , but that the suspension of the said lodge be continued , with power to the Board of General Purposes to remove the same on due submission being made , and on such conditions as the Board may seem fit to impose . " Bro . Savage , P . G . D ., in seconding the motion , saicl he entirely endorsed all the observations made by the President of the

Board of General Purposes as to the irregularities of the Jordan Lodge . He agreed that the extreme penalty should not be carried out , and he should have much regretted if such a conclusion had been arrived at ; bufc that great irregularities had been committed he felt certain . Two great Incites had been committed by tbe Jordan Lodge—first , in initiating seven

brethren at the same time without a dispensation from the Grand Master , and contrary to the " Book of Constitutions , " as they must have known there was a limit to the number to be initiated , and which they ought not to have exceeded . Therefore , in doing so , there was a great breach of Masonic law , but there was a still greater one in obligating all these

candidatesat tho same time . He was thoroughly astonished when the fact came out in evidence , for it Avas a proceeding most objectionable in every sense of the Avord . For his part he objected to seven , five , or even two candidates being obligated at the same time ; and although he had heard of it being clone before , he considered that it was most objectionable , for it was his opinion thafc

in the interest of their Order every candidate should be obligated separately . Although there was no written law , there was an unwritten law , which was well known , upon the subject , that two candidates should not be obligated together .

Bro . Bedford , P . G . Chap ., denied the irregularity , and saicl at the institution of their Order K . S . did not stop to inquire or consider whether his candidates should be obligated one by one ; . and he believed that nothing would tend more to promote irregularity than an undue straining of the written law of Freemasonry .

Bro . Havers , P . G . W ., saicl they wore not in the same position as they were in the days of K . S ., their first Grand Master , and what might have been wise in his time could not be adopted at tho present . He ( Bro . Havers ) hacl been a member of the Jordan Lodge , and when he Avas in the chair they did not have present more than three or four members , and they

often hacl to get two or tliree waiters to make up the number of a lodge . He held , however , that nothing conduced more to keep up the state and dignity of Freemasonry than by giving a due formality , solemnity , and respect to tho first ceremony of initiation , ancl he hoped that tbey would adhere to their traditions .

Bro . Winn , as an olcl member , was understood to say , amidst some confusion that prevailed , that with a large amount of business to get through , the principle laid down of only obligating one candidate at a time could not always be adhered to . Bro . Victor Williamson , P . G . W ., saicl he agreed that , under ordinary circumstances , the obligation to each candidate should

bo administered separately , but at the same time he agreed Avith 3 ro . Bedford thafc they should not be in a hurry to pass stringent resolutions , which might disturb the harmony which ivas noAV the distinguishing feature of Freemasonry . If they were to adopt the recommendation now made as anile , Avhich it Avas said was an unwritten law , life would be too short for a

W . Master to perform his duties . Let them discourage the practice as a rule , but not pass a hard line , like the law of tlie Medes and Persians . Let them leave the W . Master to possess the power , but at the same time to use it very sparingly . In this case the irregularities were pointed out , but tbey were persevered in , and therefore he Avas in favour of the recommendation of the Board of General Purposes .

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