Skip to main content
Museum of Freemasonry

Masonic Periodicals Online

  • Explore
  • Advanced Search
  • Home
  • Explore
  • The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine
  • June 12, 1869
  • Page 12
  • MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES.
Current:

The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine, June 12, 1869: Page 12

  • Back to The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine, June 12, 1869
  • Print image
  • Articles/Ads
    Article MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. ← Page 3 of 3
    Article MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Page 3 of 3
    Article CORRESPONDENCE. Page 1 of 3 →
Page 12

Note: This text has been automatically extracted via Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software.

Masonic Notes And Queries.

PAST HASTEES . Can the Past Master ' s degree be given in England with the rank of Past Master without the brother being installed ? I have an offer of the degree in Scotland , but want it in England in order to entitle

me to sit iu Grand Lodge . —E . A . [ No ; and , if you receive the degree in the manner suggested , it will not entitle you to sit in Grand Lodge . —ED . P . M . ] 33 EO . MELVILLE AND THE OEDEES OE KNIGHTHOOD . I did not forget to make inquiry from my friends of the Bath , but , as Bro . Senex , C . B ., has forestalled me at p . 413 , 1 will spare your space . —LUPUS .

FEEEMASON—DEBITATION OE THE WOED . At page 362 , Bro . Melville says that" Freemason " is derived from " Priga , or Prig , meaning Pree , and Magon meaning Mason . ' ' Very good ! I have no objections to his applying that derivation to his " Celestial or Priga Masons , " who ( page 363 ) , he

says , "had no such mean employment as that of carrying stones and mixing mortar ; " but I object to the application of that derivation to our terrestrial Masons who did work with stone and mortar , and who played their part in the erection of our beautiful , or perhaps , more strictly speaking , sublime , old cathedralsetc

, . Then , at page 370 , my esteemed friend and Bro . " J . A . H ., "—who , I am half inclined to think , is perhaps joking—says that because he saw it stated in an old last century book that " the word free was added because they ( the Masons ) taught their art to the freeborn only , " therefore it " seems to me to

settle the question . ' ' Now I draw an exactly opposite conclusion from that of Bro . J . A . H ., as I do not give a pinch of snuff for what our last century pretended Masonic historians say about anything that happened , or was in existence previous to A . D . 1600 , if I have any reason to think otherwise . Further , said remark in this

" old book , entitled ' Hiram , ' or the ' Grand Master Key , ' is untrue . freemason means a mason who is free , that is a mason who has received certain privileges or has become free of his guild or sodality . I had the pleasure of speaking to Professor Cosmo Innes , on the 22 nd ult

., aneut this , and he said , — "It is not freeliomo that is spoken of , it is freemason , and your definition is quite correct . " Therefore , as I said before , I reject the "free-born" idea , and more especially now , as I consider the opinion of Professor Innes upon such a subject to be worth that of a hundred " Hirams ; " neither must I forget that also of " A Masonic Student . "

As to the origin of the simple word " Mason , " I can say nothing new in the meantime . In reference to the remarks of "Liber , " pp . 411 and 412 , headed " Freeborn , " from which I take it that he chimes in with the "freeborn" notion , I would remark that he must take a wider view of

things . A daA'e about six or seven hundred years ago , escaping from his lord or master , and residing unchallenged for a year and a day in a burgh , thereby became / we , as the following statute of the laws of the burghs says , —• ' Gif ony mannis thryll , barounis

Masonic Notes And Queries.

or knychtis , cummys to burgh and byis a borowage , and dtvellis in his borovrage a twelfmoueth and a day , foroutyn challenge of his lorde or of his bailye , he sail be ever mare fre as a burges within that kingis burgh , and joyse the fredome of that burgh . " The code of Scottish burghal regulations collected in

tbe reign of David ( 1124 to 1153 ) "Avas the result of experience ofthe towns of England and Scotland . " At page 142 of "Scotland in the Middle Ages , " we read as follows : —

" In 1247 , Patrick de Prendegest , burgess of Berwick , bought the freedom of Benaldus , a slave , with his whole following , for tAventy merks sterling . This is a remarkable transaction ; for Patrick , the burgess , had formerly been a slave , or at least a native , and obtained his liberty through the house of Coldingham ; butwhat is more curiousEeynaldwho was

, , , thus emancipated for a sum of money , is styled in the charter propositus , meaning , no doubt , alderman or bailie of the town of Berwick ; and that accounts for the greatness of his price ; for about the same time ,, the Abbey of Coldingham purchased the freedom of Joseph , the son of Elwald , and all his posterity , for

the price of three merks ; of Eoger Fitz Walter and all his posterity for tAvo merks ; and Eustace of Newbigging sold to the Prior of Coldingham the freedora of William of Kewbigging , and Brunhild his wife , and Walter and Mabil their children , and all their issue , for the sum of fifteen shillings . These are instances of purchased emancipation . "

After reading the above , I have no doubt "A Masonic Student " will be well pleased at seeing his view of the derivation of the prefix free in " freemason " proved to be correct , and , may I add—we consider it almost superflous to say more . —W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —In reference to the interesting subject of "Biblical Eeferences " alluded to by Bros . Danum ,

Senex , Excelsior , etc ., I intend to give some remarks next week , and especially anent that in 1 st Kings . — W . P . B . INAUGUEATION OE GEAND LODGE BUILDINGS . Can any brother tell me when the jewel which was approved by the M . W . the Grand Master , commemorative of this occasion , will be issued ?—LUPUS

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by

Correspondents-BEO . MELVILLE'S DISCOVEEIES .

10 THE EDITOR OF IHE " EEEEMASOXS * MAGAZINE A 1 TD JTASOSIC 1 T . IRUOS ; . Dear Sir and Brother , —I would consider that Bro . Melville may have been aware of the fact , but I do not suppose that Bro . " Excelsior " ( page 445 ) is , that I live in Glasgow ; consequently it would be a serious matter for me to leave my business and go

away up to London merely to see or hear what Bro . Melville has to say or point out . Had Bro . Melville been in Glasgow , I should then onl y have been too happy to call upon him , and I would most certainly have done every justice in my power to what he had to say . Unless , therefore , " Excelsior" can devise some means whereby Bro . Melville and I can be brought into closer connexion ( if it would do any

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1869-06-12, Page 12” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 6 July 2025, django:8000/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_12061869/page/12/.
  • List
  • Grid
Title Category Page
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 1
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 3
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—XV. Article 5
ORATION. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 10
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
BRO. DNALXO'S ARTICLE " FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY." Article 14
INTENDED REDUCTION IN PRICE OF THE "MAGAZINE." Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 17
CANADA. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
A RAILWAY INCIDENT. Article 18
THE TEACHINGS OF NATURE. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 19TH JUNE, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
Page 1

Page 1

1 Article
Page 2

Page 2

1 Article
Page 3

Page 3

2 Articles
Page 4

Page 4

1 Article
Page 5

Page 5

2 Articles
Page 6

Page 6

1 Article
Page 7

Page 7

1 Article
Page 8

Page 8

3 Articles
Page 9

Page 9

1 Article
Page 10

Page 10

1 Article
Page 11

Page 11

1 Article
Page 12

Page 12

3 Articles
Page 13

Page 13

1 Article
Page 14

Page 14

2 Articles
Page 15

Page 15

3 Articles
Page 16

Page 16

2 Articles
Page 17

Page 17

6 Articles
Page 18

Page 18

5 Articles
Page 19

Page 19

4 Articles
Page 20

Page 20

3 Articles
Page 12

Note: This text has been automatically extracted via Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software.

Masonic Notes And Queries.

PAST HASTEES . Can the Past Master ' s degree be given in England with the rank of Past Master without the brother being installed ? I have an offer of the degree in Scotland , but want it in England in order to entitle

me to sit iu Grand Lodge . —E . A . [ No ; and , if you receive the degree in the manner suggested , it will not entitle you to sit in Grand Lodge . —ED . P . M . ] 33 EO . MELVILLE AND THE OEDEES OE KNIGHTHOOD . I did not forget to make inquiry from my friends of the Bath , but , as Bro . Senex , C . B ., has forestalled me at p . 413 , 1 will spare your space . —LUPUS .

FEEEMASON—DEBITATION OE THE WOED . At page 362 , Bro . Melville says that" Freemason " is derived from " Priga , or Prig , meaning Pree , and Magon meaning Mason . ' ' Very good ! I have no objections to his applying that derivation to his " Celestial or Priga Masons , " who ( page 363 ) , he

says , "had no such mean employment as that of carrying stones and mixing mortar ; " but I object to the application of that derivation to our terrestrial Masons who did work with stone and mortar , and who played their part in the erection of our beautiful , or perhaps , more strictly speaking , sublime , old cathedralsetc

, . Then , at page 370 , my esteemed friend and Bro . " J . A . H ., "—who , I am half inclined to think , is perhaps joking—says that because he saw it stated in an old last century book that " the word free was added because they ( the Masons ) taught their art to the freeborn only , " therefore it " seems to me to

settle the question . ' ' Now I draw an exactly opposite conclusion from that of Bro . J . A . H ., as I do not give a pinch of snuff for what our last century pretended Masonic historians say about anything that happened , or was in existence previous to A . D . 1600 , if I have any reason to think otherwise . Further , said remark in this

" old book , entitled ' Hiram , ' or the ' Grand Master Key , ' is untrue . freemason means a mason who is free , that is a mason who has received certain privileges or has become free of his guild or sodality . I had the pleasure of speaking to Professor Cosmo Innes , on the 22 nd ult

., aneut this , and he said , — "It is not freeliomo that is spoken of , it is freemason , and your definition is quite correct . " Therefore , as I said before , I reject the "free-born" idea , and more especially now , as I consider the opinion of Professor Innes upon such a subject to be worth that of a hundred " Hirams ; " neither must I forget that also of " A Masonic Student . "

As to the origin of the simple word " Mason , " I can say nothing new in the meantime . In reference to the remarks of "Liber , " pp . 411 and 412 , headed " Freeborn , " from which I take it that he chimes in with the "freeborn" notion , I would remark that he must take a wider view of

things . A daA'e about six or seven hundred years ago , escaping from his lord or master , and residing unchallenged for a year and a day in a burgh , thereby became / we , as the following statute of the laws of the burghs says , —• ' Gif ony mannis thryll , barounis

Masonic Notes And Queries.

or knychtis , cummys to burgh and byis a borowage , and dtvellis in his borovrage a twelfmoueth and a day , foroutyn challenge of his lorde or of his bailye , he sail be ever mare fre as a burges within that kingis burgh , and joyse the fredome of that burgh . " The code of Scottish burghal regulations collected in

tbe reign of David ( 1124 to 1153 ) "Avas the result of experience ofthe towns of England and Scotland . " At page 142 of "Scotland in the Middle Ages , " we read as follows : —

" In 1247 , Patrick de Prendegest , burgess of Berwick , bought the freedom of Benaldus , a slave , with his whole following , for tAventy merks sterling . This is a remarkable transaction ; for Patrick , the burgess , had formerly been a slave , or at least a native , and obtained his liberty through the house of Coldingham ; butwhat is more curiousEeynaldwho was

, , , thus emancipated for a sum of money , is styled in the charter propositus , meaning , no doubt , alderman or bailie of the town of Berwick ; and that accounts for the greatness of his price ; for about the same time ,, the Abbey of Coldingham purchased the freedom of Joseph , the son of Elwald , and all his posterity , for

the price of three merks ; of Eoger Fitz Walter and all his posterity for tAvo merks ; and Eustace of Newbigging sold to the Prior of Coldingham the freedora of William of Kewbigging , and Brunhild his wife , and Walter and Mabil their children , and all their issue , for the sum of fifteen shillings . These are instances of purchased emancipation . "

After reading the above , I have no doubt "A Masonic Student " will be well pleased at seeing his view of the derivation of the prefix free in " freemason " proved to be correct , and , may I add—we consider it almost superflous to say more . —W . P . BUCHAN . P . S . —In reference to the interesting subject of "Biblical Eeferences " alluded to by Bros . Danum ,

Senex , Excelsior , etc ., I intend to give some remarks next week , and especially anent that in 1 st Kings . — W . P . B . INAUGUEATION OE GEAND LODGE BUILDINGS . Can any brother tell me when the jewel which was approved by the M . W . the Grand Master , commemorative of this occasion , will be issued ?—LUPUS

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by

Correspondents-BEO . MELVILLE'S DISCOVEEIES .

10 THE EDITOR OF IHE " EEEEMASOXS * MAGAZINE A 1 TD JTASOSIC 1 T . IRUOS ; . Dear Sir and Brother , —I would consider that Bro . Melville may have been aware of the fact , but I do not suppose that Bro . " Excelsior " ( page 445 ) is , that I live in Glasgow ; consequently it would be a serious matter for me to leave my business and go

away up to London merely to see or hear what Bro . Melville has to say or point out . Had Bro . Melville been in Glasgow , I should then onl y have been too happy to call upon him , and I would most certainly have done every justice in my power to what he had to say . Unless , therefore , " Excelsior" can devise some means whereby Bro . Melville and I can be brought into closer connexion ( if it would do any

  • Prev page
  • 1
  • 11
  • You're on page12
  • 13
  • 20
  • Next page
  • Accredited Museum Designated Outstanding Collection
  • LIBRARY AND MUSEUM CHARITABLE TRUST OF THE UNITED GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND REGISTERED CHARITY NUMBER 1058497 / ALL RIGHTS RESERVED © 2025

  • Accessibility statement

  • Designed, developed, and maintained by King's Digital Lab

We use cookies to track usage and preferences.

Privacy & cookie policy