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he base so preposterous an assumption ? Does he mean to say that the fact of a brother having publicly shown himself thoroughly qualified for the office of W . M . would render him undesirable ? Supposing both the S . W . and J . W . equally eligible on other considerations for the chair , does he mean to assert

that the fact of the S . W . having received a certificate of proficiency from the Grand Lodge of Instruction would render him obnoxious to the lodge ? If so , oh ! _ shame for Masonry , for it would be the only institution in the world who failed to recognize the motto , "palmam qui meruit , ferat . " While I beg on

the one band to thank " Crescent" sincerely for his well-intentioned efforts , I must remind him that , instead of " pushing behind , ' ' there is such a thing as " dragging behind . " I would also inform him , as probably you will do , Sir and Brother , in your next , that he cannot according to the etiquette of the

press , preface bis articles by the title of "Masonic Discipline . " He may do so of course in a letter , or as a correspondent , but not in any other capacity . It is evident that my friend and brother , " Crescent , " is _ not accustomed to literary labours , or I am much mistaken .

I now come to the letter of " H . C , " and I confess that , were I at the present moment engaged in investigating and writing upon the theory , and not the practice , of Freemasonry , I should have much pleasure in going deeper than I can now do into the origin of our ceremonies and ritual . At the same time , I must

state that I do not consider it is quite fair for him to state that " there are four and not three " assistant officers . I beg to submit that the answer , " Three besides the O . G . or T ., ' ' is precisely equivalent to the answer , "Three , and the O . G . or T . " According to Cocker , three and one make four , and it is absurd

to blink the truth of a statement simply because , so well as we know , our ancestors bungled the rendering of it . When we find anyone who openly maintains that he likes errors" for the sake of errors , it is best to leave him alone . He has not even the excuse of the classic Avho exclaimed , " Video meliorapro ' boqiie , deteriora sec / nor . "

To the last paragraph of Bro . H . C , I reply that , although we may view the origin of our ceremonies , like the Fisherman of Loch Leven , by " the li ght of other days , " it must be remembered that , at the present day , that li ght is to us darkness , and , what is more , " darkness visible . " It is one thing to study a

science and another to apply . Supposing gunpowder to have been invented by the Chinese , it is one thing to investigate its origin and history , and quite another to apply the deadly powder . According to the opinion of H . C , we ought to apply our gunpoAvder by using a primitive China gun , instead of an Armstrong , a Fraser , or a Blakely .

The first and fourth paragraphs of the excellent letter of H . H . prove how necessary it is that some regulation should be promulgated in order to ensure uniformity in merely the " drill of Freemasonry . " It is really not a matter of very much consequence which way it is settled , although I admit there is a good deal of force in the argument put forward by Bro . H . H . when he states that as the brethren who have been in the lodge from the first have gone through the signs , so should those AVIIO subsequentl y

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enter , do the same . The case of Bro . Morris and his 142 degrees is simply absurd , for it applies , as stated by H . H ., that the signs of a lodge are given in a chapter , those of a chapter in an encampment , and so on throughout the different departments of Masonry . Your correspondent should be a little moreearefulor he Avill render his effusions

ridicu-, lous . * I have to thank my "friend" and brother the " Quaker " for his excellent opinion of me , and trust that I shall ever deserve it . From what be has stated , and I perfectly agree with him in the soundness and -fitness of his views , 1 surmise that

if neither the proposer or seconder " turned up " on the evening of the initiation of that friend , he could not pass through the ceremony . I think it would be a very desirable rule to make it so in the next revision of our " Constitutions . " I contend that the " Quaker " and his lodge have no authority for insisting upon a candidate for the second and third

degrees , being " proposed and seconded in open lodge as at his initiation . " All that is required by the " Constitutions" is the conditions relating to "time , " and that the candidate should have " passed an examination in open lodge . " Every weeks brings some fresh evidence to prove what a perfect dead letter the " Constitutions" and the manner in which they are

, enforced , have become . A word to H . M . G ., and then , dear Sir and Brother , accept my apology for trespassing so much upon your space . Will H . M . G . allow me to suggest that he has made a grammatical mistake . He does not understand the etymology of the word " Immediately . " It

does not refer to place , but to time . However well meant his answer , I must inform him that it is not English . In his anxiety to preserve something of the old form of the answer , he has committed a grammatical blunder , which a little reflection will convince him of . To use the words of the poet , " Bicidit in

Scyllam , cupiens vitare C liar ib dim . ^ Yours fraternally , CEUX .

Broadfoot, Thompson, And Muggeridge's Ritual .

BROADFOOT , THOMPSON , AND MUGGERIDGE'S RITUAL .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IIIEBOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —I beg to tender my apology and express my sincere regret to Bro . P . M . Hosgood that I should have entertained for one moment that he Avas the P . M . meant as having altered the ritual as it at present stands . The manner in which the party who has been the instigator of bringing this

sensational writing to light must have received Bro . Hosgood ' s statement in Grand Lodge as though one of Jove ' s thunderbolts had fallen upon him ; but , had I have known that it was intended for Bro . Hosgood , depend upon it they would not have imposed upon one Avho has known Bro . Hosgood for

upwards of 30 years . Expressing my regret for Avhat has occurred , permit me , dear Sir and Brother , to remain , Yours fraternally , J . H . D . P . S . —I have written privately to Bro . Hosgood on the subject .

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RECOGNITION OF NOVA SCOTIA. Article 1
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MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 9
THE ANCIENT RECORDS OF "THE LODGE OF EDINBURGH (MARY'S CHAPEL)," No. 1. Article 11
NON-OPERATIVE OFFICE-BEARERS OR SCOTCH LODGES IN THE 17TH CENTURY. Article 11
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 11
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
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BROADFOOT, THOMPSON, AND MUGGERIDGE'S RITUAL . Article 14
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UNITED GRAND LODGE. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
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LIST OF STEWARDS AT THE INAUGURATION FESTIVAL, 14TH APRIL, 1869. Article 19
Poetry. Article 19
MASONIC SONG. Article 19
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 18TH SEPTEMBER, 1869. Article 20
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Masonic Discipline.

he base so preposterous an assumption ? Does he mean to say that the fact of a brother having publicly shown himself thoroughly qualified for the office of W . M . would render him undesirable ? Supposing both the S . W . and J . W . equally eligible on other considerations for the chair , does he mean to assert

that the fact of the S . W . having received a certificate of proficiency from the Grand Lodge of Instruction would render him obnoxious to the lodge ? If so , oh ! _ shame for Masonry , for it would be the only institution in the world who failed to recognize the motto , "palmam qui meruit , ferat . " While I beg on

the one band to thank " Crescent" sincerely for his well-intentioned efforts , I must remind him that , instead of " pushing behind , ' ' there is such a thing as " dragging behind . " I would also inform him , as probably you will do , Sir and Brother , in your next , that he cannot according to the etiquette of the

press , preface bis articles by the title of "Masonic Discipline . " He may do so of course in a letter , or as a correspondent , but not in any other capacity . It is evident that my friend and brother , " Crescent , " is _ not accustomed to literary labours , or I am much mistaken .

I now come to the letter of " H . C , " and I confess that , were I at the present moment engaged in investigating and writing upon the theory , and not the practice , of Freemasonry , I should have much pleasure in going deeper than I can now do into the origin of our ceremonies and ritual . At the same time , I must

state that I do not consider it is quite fair for him to state that " there are four and not three " assistant officers . I beg to submit that the answer , " Three besides the O . G . or T ., ' ' is precisely equivalent to the answer , "Three , and the O . G . or T . " According to Cocker , three and one make four , and it is absurd

to blink the truth of a statement simply because , so well as we know , our ancestors bungled the rendering of it . When we find anyone who openly maintains that he likes errors" for the sake of errors , it is best to leave him alone . He has not even the excuse of the classic Avho exclaimed , " Video meliorapro ' boqiie , deteriora sec / nor . "

To the last paragraph of Bro . H . C , I reply that , although we may view the origin of our ceremonies , like the Fisherman of Loch Leven , by " the li ght of other days , " it must be remembered that , at the present day , that li ght is to us darkness , and , what is more , " darkness visible . " It is one thing to study a

science and another to apply . Supposing gunpowder to have been invented by the Chinese , it is one thing to investigate its origin and history , and quite another to apply the deadly powder . According to the opinion of H . C , we ought to apply our gunpoAvder by using a primitive China gun , instead of an Armstrong , a Fraser , or a Blakely .

The first and fourth paragraphs of the excellent letter of H . H . prove how necessary it is that some regulation should be promulgated in order to ensure uniformity in merely the " drill of Freemasonry . " It is really not a matter of very much consequence which way it is settled , although I admit there is a good deal of force in the argument put forward by Bro . H . H . when he states that as the brethren who have been in the lodge from the first have gone through the signs , so should those AVIIO subsequentl y

Masonic Discipline.

enter , do the same . The case of Bro . Morris and his 142 degrees is simply absurd , for it applies , as stated by H . H ., that the signs of a lodge are given in a chapter , those of a chapter in an encampment , and so on throughout the different departments of Masonry . Your correspondent should be a little moreearefulor he Avill render his effusions

ridicu-, lous . * I have to thank my "friend" and brother the " Quaker " for his excellent opinion of me , and trust that I shall ever deserve it . From what be has stated , and I perfectly agree with him in the soundness and -fitness of his views , 1 surmise that

if neither the proposer or seconder " turned up " on the evening of the initiation of that friend , he could not pass through the ceremony . I think it would be a very desirable rule to make it so in the next revision of our " Constitutions . " I contend that the " Quaker " and his lodge have no authority for insisting upon a candidate for the second and third

degrees , being " proposed and seconded in open lodge as at his initiation . " All that is required by the " Constitutions" is the conditions relating to "time , " and that the candidate should have " passed an examination in open lodge . " Every weeks brings some fresh evidence to prove what a perfect dead letter the " Constitutions" and the manner in which they are

, enforced , have become . A word to H . M . G ., and then , dear Sir and Brother , accept my apology for trespassing so much upon your space . Will H . M . G . allow me to suggest that he has made a grammatical mistake . He does not understand the etymology of the word " Immediately . " It

does not refer to place , but to time . However well meant his answer , I must inform him that it is not English . In his anxiety to preserve something of the old form of the answer , he has committed a grammatical blunder , which a little reflection will convince him of . To use the words of the poet , " Bicidit in

Scyllam , cupiens vitare C liar ib dim . ^ Yours fraternally , CEUX .

Broadfoot, Thompson, And Muggeridge's Ritual .

BROADFOOT , THOMPSON , AND MUGGERIDGE'S RITUAL .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC IIIEBOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —I beg to tender my apology and express my sincere regret to Bro . P . M . Hosgood that I should have entertained for one moment that he Avas the P . M . meant as having altered the ritual as it at present stands . The manner in which the party who has been the instigator of bringing this

sensational writing to light must have received Bro . Hosgood ' s statement in Grand Lodge as though one of Jove ' s thunderbolts had fallen upon him ; but , had I have known that it was intended for Bro . Hosgood , depend upon it they would not have imposed upon one Avho has known Bro . Hosgood for

upwards of 30 years . Expressing my regret for Avhat has occurred , permit me , dear Sir and Brother , to remain , Yours fraternally , J . H . D . P . S . —I have written privately to Bro . Hosgood on the subject .

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