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Provincial Grand Lodge Of Wiltshire.

to purchase life governorships in the different chanties m rotation , according to the largest amounts paid by the respective lodges : that every AV . M . do pay on his installation a fee of 10 s . 6 d . ; the Wardens 5 s . each ; each chair in the chapter 5 s . ; assistant officers 2 s . 6 d . ; and candidates , on initiation , 2 s . each ; the above payments to be made at the end of each year to the Prov . Grand Treasurer at the same

time as the Prov . G . L . dues . The Treasurer to open a separate account for the charity fund . At the same time , Bro . Oliver suggests that , as the Lodge of Rectitude iuas already a Life Governor of the Royal BeneA'olent Institution , it Avould be better to give that lodge a governorship of one of the schools , instead of another govemship in the same institution . Again , in page 335 , you have a report of the

AViltshire Lodge of Fidelity , held at Devizes , 19 th April , 1860 , Avhen I had the pleasure of carrying a vote of ten guineas to purchase a Life GoA ernorship in the Boys ' School , and that from the funds of a lodge whose warrant vrns not four j-ears old . It is as well a recorded fact that our highly esteemed , right worthy , and worshipful Bro . D . Prov . G . M . Gooch not only took the office of SteAvard , but

presented from this notorious uncharitable province one of the best lists on that occasion—considerably over £ 100 . The exact amount I cannot now name , as I have no figures to quote from , but hope , Avhen the returns are sent me , to give

yon full particulars for a future number of all the unchariiahle doings of the Wiltshire province , feeling sure that the R . AV . Prov . G . M . and his Deputy have the true principles of Masonry too much at heart to alloAv for one moment so important a duty to be negfected . The obseiwations you make are also A"ery ill-timed , after the observations made by Bro . CreAV , Avho rose to return thanks for the support

given by the Provincial Grand Committee to the Girls ' School , Avbo had that day voted tAvo life governorships for two lodges , by virtue of their resolution of August 23 rd , 1859 , and Avho , at the same time , had to thank our Worshipful Brother Col . Goddard , P . Prov . G . S . W ., for taking the office of SteAvard for the next year . Sow , then , does it appear that , if the AViltshire lodges are so notorious for not

supporting our charities , that Bro . CreAV should feel himself called on to return thanks in open Prov . G . L . for that Avhich he ( as Secretary of one of them ) could neA er have received ! I fear I have trespassed too much on your valuable space ; but feeling that a stigma , not only on our proAunce , but also on our Pro \ r . G . M . and D . Prov . G . M ., AA ^ as conveyed in your remarks , Avhich I could not let pass unnoticed ; and I am

sure the Masonic world , from these extracts , will feel that our province is presided over by brethren who have the Masonic charities at heart , and AA 4 IO are not so notorious as you Avould make them out to be .

I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , WILLIAM BIGGS , P . M . 247 and 261 , Prov . G . Reg ., Wilts . [ We shall accept our brother ' s challenge , and show in an early number that Bro . Oliver , of Bath , has been making political capital out of a pure error , Avhich Avas immediately corrected by the Committee , Avho haA'e given pounds against the shillings or sixpences of those Avho complain . —ED . ]

TO inE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR , SIR AXD BROTHER , —I fear your representative was too busily engaged in his enquiries for my name to catch what I said at the lateProv . G . Lodge for Wilts Avhen seconding Bro . Oliver ' s motion , noticed at page 354 of the MAGAZINE . He Avould not othenvise have reported me as saying " that no sane man Avould support the Benevolent Institution while

under the present system . " * I shall not trouble your readers with what I did say , but shallmerelyassure them thatuo member of the Prov . G . Lodge of Wilts , no member of No . 420 , and most assuredly not its J . AV . Avould , otherwise than repudiate Avith just indignation , as I do IIOAV , a sentiment so foreign to their and my own feelings .

I am not a resident in Wilts , possibly , therefore , though that province possesses ample means of justifying itself , I may spare the feelings of my Wiltshire Brethren by pointing on their behalf to thc statements contained in your report of the proceedings of the same Prov . G . Lodge , as amply

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Wiltshire.

refuting your footnote . Tho Province of Wilts has for the last two years possessed an organization supported by taxation imposed under the bye-laws of every lodge within its limits , and resulting in a handsome yearly provision for the charities . Add to this consideration , that the AV . M ., of No . 420 Avas , previously to the inauguration of this plan , a Governor ( bdonation ) of the BeneA-oIenfc Institutionand I

y , think you will admit that the note in question Avas erroneous and withdraAV the slur you haA'e doubtless unintentionally cast on a province , equalled by few in its arrangements for the support of our admirable chaz'ites . I am Sir and Brother , yours & c . Bath , November 7 th , 1860 . ' J . W . 420 .

The Charities.

THE CHARITIES .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In your correspondent ' s letter of last week , he Avill not alloAv the Socrates Lodge ( No . 511 ) to be a subscriber to the Boys' School . In December , 1858 , 1 sent ten guineas that the AV . M ., might be a life governor to the Boys' School . In March , 1860 , I sent five guineas to the Widow ' s Fund , that the AV . M , might be a life governor

for 15 years . The Provincial Grand Lodge sent in July , 1859 , ten guineas to the Boys' School , and ten guineas to the Girls'School ; June ,, 1860 , fiA'e guineas to the aged Freemasons' and in July 1860 fiA-e guineas to the AVidows Fund . As regards the candidate Ridgway , his father belongs to a lodge at Spalding , in Lincolnshire . It appears his mother resides at Fletton , inHuntingdonshire , but AVO know nothing of the case and AA ere never solicited for our votes . I am Dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally Huntingdon-, Nov . t > tlh GEORGE M . FOX , Sec , P . M .

Knights Templar.

KNIGHTS TEMPLAR .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR . AKD BROTHER , —Your volume of 1857 contained a circular from the Grand Encampment of Knight Templars in America , calling upon the various encampments throughout the Avorld for co-operation "To elucidate the mystery Avhich hangs 0 A er our Order since the death of De Malay . To investigate the claims of those and other ( if there be any ) branches of our common familto legitimacy . To

y unite them , if possible , as of yore , and to ascertain the real connexion between Freemasonry and Templarism , at what time it occurred , and Avhether it should be continued . " Permit me to encpiire through your pages Avhether anything has yet been done either in Europe or America to fonvard these desirable results ?

Every member of the Order must feel the unsatisfactory position in which it is placed from the want of unity between the different bodies , Avho appear to have little or no communication with each other . Why our Graud Conclave does not mutually appoint representatives with those of Scotland , France , Ireland , & c , I cannot understand , since Ave are stated to be on the best of terms Avith them , and through

that means come to some understanding Avith regard to uniformity of laws and ritual . It would appear , from a preface to the Scottish Statutes of the Order , Avhere its progress since the suppression is briefly traced , that the Order in that country is divided into two classes—Chivalric and Masonic , the only difference in the present day being the recognition of tho former by

a patent from the "Grand Master or Sovereign of the cosmopolite body . " From the differences to Avhich I have already alluded , it would be almost an impossibility to unite the Masonic Templars , but if the Scottish Templars from Avhom all others doubtless derive their origin , Avere to admit the Masonic Templars of other countries into thc Chivalric branch , those

of England , America , and Ireland ( and perhaps Franco might be brought to participate ) Avould most likely be glad to cement under one Grand Master , as suggested by our American fraters . Perhaps some of the Scottish Templars vrho are acquainted with the views of their Chapter General , Avould kindly inform us through Avhether the Chivalric bod

your pages , y AA ^ ould be likely to assent to such arrangements , and what terms and qualifications would he enforced from the Masonic-Templars of other countries ? I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , A

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MASONIC SYMBOLISM Article 1
CHRISTIAN MORALS. Article 3
VISIT TO STRATFORD-ON-AVON AND ITS VICINAGE. Article 4
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆLOOGY. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 9
Literature. Article 11
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 11
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 12
PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE OF WILTSHIRE. Article 12
THE CHARITIES. Article 13
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 13
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 14
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Provincial Grand Lodge Of Wiltshire.

to purchase life governorships in the different chanties m rotation , according to the largest amounts paid by the respective lodges : that every AV . M . do pay on his installation a fee of 10 s . 6 d . ; the Wardens 5 s . each ; each chair in the chapter 5 s . ; assistant officers 2 s . 6 d . ; and candidates , on initiation , 2 s . each ; the above payments to be made at the end of each year to the Prov . Grand Treasurer at the same

time as the Prov . G . L . dues . The Treasurer to open a separate account for the charity fund . At the same time , Bro . Oliver suggests that , as the Lodge of Rectitude iuas already a Life Governor of the Royal BeneA'olent Institution , it Avould be better to give that lodge a governorship of one of the schools , instead of another govemship in the same institution . Again , in page 335 , you have a report of the

AViltshire Lodge of Fidelity , held at Devizes , 19 th April , 1860 , Avhen I had the pleasure of carrying a vote of ten guineas to purchase a Life GoA ernorship in the Boys ' School , and that from the funds of a lodge whose warrant vrns not four j-ears old . It is as well a recorded fact that our highly esteemed , right worthy , and worshipful Bro . D . Prov . G . M . Gooch not only took the office of SteAvard , but

presented from this notorious uncharitable province one of the best lists on that occasion—considerably over £ 100 . The exact amount I cannot now name , as I have no figures to quote from , but hope , Avhen the returns are sent me , to give

yon full particulars for a future number of all the unchariiahle doings of the Wiltshire province , feeling sure that the R . AV . Prov . G . M . and his Deputy have the true principles of Masonry too much at heart to alloAv for one moment so important a duty to be negfected . The obseiwations you make are also A"ery ill-timed , after the observations made by Bro . CreAV , Avho rose to return thanks for the support

given by the Provincial Grand Committee to the Girls ' School , Avbo had that day voted tAvo life governorships for two lodges , by virtue of their resolution of August 23 rd , 1859 , and Avho , at the same time , had to thank our Worshipful Brother Col . Goddard , P . Prov . G . S . W ., for taking the office of SteAvard for the next year . Sow , then , does it appear that , if the AViltshire lodges are so notorious for not

supporting our charities , that Bro . CreAV should feel himself called on to return thanks in open Prov . G . L . for that Avhich he ( as Secretary of one of them ) could neA er have received ! I fear I have trespassed too much on your valuable space ; but feeling that a stigma , not only on our proAunce , but also on our Pro \ r . G . M . and D . Prov . G . M ., AA ^ as conveyed in your remarks , Avhich I could not let pass unnoticed ; and I am

sure the Masonic world , from these extracts , will feel that our province is presided over by brethren who have the Masonic charities at heart , and AA 4 IO are not so notorious as you Avould make them out to be .

I am , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , WILLIAM BIGGS , P . M . 247 and 261 , Prov . G . Reg ., Wilts . [ We shall accept our brother ' s challenge , and show in an early number that Bro . Oliver , of Bath , has been making political capital out of a pure error , Avhich Avas immediately corrected by the Committee , Avho haA'e given pounds against the shillings or sixpences of those Avho complain . —ED . ]

TO inE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR , SIR AXD BROTHER , —I fear your representative was too busily engaged in his enquiries for my name to catch what I said at the lateProv . G . Lodge for Wilts Avhen seconding Bro . Oliver ' s motion , noticed at page 354 of the MAGAZINE . He Avould not othenvise have reported me as saying " that no sane man Avould support the Benevolent Institution while

under the present system . " * I shall not trouble your readers with what I did say , but shallmerelyassure them thatuo member of the Prov . G . Lodge of Wilts , no member of No . 420 , and most assuredly not its J . AV . Avould , otherwise than repudiate Avith just indignation , as I do IIOAV , a sentiment so foreign to their and my own feelings .

I am not a resident in Wilts , possibly , therefore , though that province possesses ample means of justifying itself , I may spare the feelings of my Wiltshire Brethren by pointing on their behalf to thc statements contained in your report of the proceedings of the same Prov . G . Lodge , as amply

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Wiltshire.

refuting your footnote . Tho Province of Wilts has for the last two years possessed an organization supported by taxation imposed under the bye-laws of every lodge within its limits , and resulting in a handsome yearly provision for the charities . Add to this consideration , that the AV . M ., of No . 420 Avas , previously to the inauguration of this plan , a Governor ( bdonation ) of the BeneA-oIenfc Institutionand I

y , think you will admit that the note in question Avas erroneous and withdraAV the slur you haA'e doubtless unintentionally cast on a province , equalled by few in its arrangements for the support of our admirable chaz'ites . I am Sir and Brother , yours & c . Bath , November 7 th , 1860 . ' J . W . 420 .

The Charities.

THE CHARITIES .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In your correspondent ' s letter of last week , he Avill not alloAv the Socrates Lodge ( No . 511 ) to be a subscriber to the Boys' School . In December , 1858 , 1 sent ten guineas that the AV . M ., might be a life governor to the Boys' School . In March , 1860 , I sent five guineas to the Widow ' s Fund , that the AV . M , might be a life governor

for 15 years . The Provincial Grand Lodge sent in July , 1859 , ten guineas to the Boys' School , and ten guineas to the Girls'School ; June ,, 1860 , fiA'e guineas to the aged Freemasons' and in July 1860 fiA-e guineas to the AVidows Fund . As regards the candidate Ridgway , his father belongs to a lodge at Spalding , in Lincolnshire . It appears his mother resides at Fletton , inHuntingdonshire , but AVO know nothing of the case and AA ere never solicited for our votes . I am Dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally Huntingdon-, Nov . t > tlh GEORGE M . FOX , Sec , P . M .

Knights Templar.

KNIGHTS TEMPLAR .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR . AKD BROTHER , —Your volume of 1857 contained a circular from the Grand Encampment of Knight Templars in America , calling upon the various encampments throughout the Avorld for co-operation "To elucidate the mystery Avhich hangs 0 A er our Order since the death of De Malay . To investigate the claims of those and other ( if there be any ) branches of our common familto legitimacy . To

y unite them , if possible , as of yore , and to ascertain the real connexion between Freemasonry and Templarism , at what time it occurred , and Avhether it should be continued . " Permit me to encpiire through your pages Avhether anything has yet been done either in Europe or America to fonvard these desirable results ?

Every member of the Order must feel the unsatisfactory position in which it is placed from the want of unity between the different bodies , Avho appear to have little or no communication with each other . Why our Graud Conclave does not mutually appoint representatives with those of Scotland , France , Ireland , & c , I cannot understand , since Ave are stated to be on the best of terms Avith them , and through

that means come to some understanding Avith regard to uniformity of laws and ritual . It would appear , from a preface to the Scottish Statutes of the Order , Avhere its progress since the suppression is briefly traced , that the Order in that country is divided into two classes—Chivalric and Masonic , the only difference in the present day being the recognition of tho former by

a patent from the "Grand Master or Sovereign of the cosmopolite body . " From the differences to Avhich I have already alluded , it would be almost an impossibility to unite the Masonic Templars , but if the Scottish Templars from Avhom all others doubtless derive their origin , Avere to admit the Masonic Templars of other countries into thc Chivalric branch , those

of England , America , and Ireland ( and perhaps Franco might be brought to participate ) Avould most likely be glad to cement under one Grand Master , as suggested by our American fraters . Perhaps some of the Scottish Templars vrho are acquainted with the views of their Chapter General , Avould kindly inform us through Avhether the Chivalric bod

your pages , y AA ^ ould be likely to assent to such arrangements , and what terms and qualifications would he enforced from the Masonic-Templars of other countries ? I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , A

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