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The Masonic Mirror.

hoy had clone that , and made such a provision , then , and not till then , ought they to cease to accumulate . Bro . WYNNE said he should be very sorry to see the hands of the Board of Benevolence tied , and he hoped thafc the remarks ivhich had been made ivould induce the Board to be more generous in the next year than they had been in the last . The report ivas then received , ancl ordered to be entered on

the minutes . To the report was subjoined a statement of the Grand Lodge accounts at the last meeting of the Finance Committee , held on the 12 th instant , showing a balance in the hands of the Grand Treasurer of £ 6 , 033 12 s . 6 d ., and in the hands of the Grand Secretary for petty cash , £ 50 . Of these sums , there belongs to the Fund of Benevolence , £ 1 , 429 11 * . ScZ . ; to the Fund of General Purposes , £ 4 , 200 13 s . Sd . ; and in the Unappropriated Account , £ 473 7 s . 5 d .

REPORT OF THE BUILDING COMMITTEE . On the motion of Bro . HAVERS , P . G . W ., and Chairman of the Building Committee , the report was taken as read . Bro . HAVERS then moved that the report be received and entered on the minutes ; and he said thafc there was nothing , as far as he was aware of , arising out of the report which required explanation , bufc if any questions were put to the

committee he , as chairman , should be most happy to answer tbem . No question being put , the motion for the report being received ancl entered on the minutes was agreed to . THE ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION . The G . SECRETARY presented a printed hook which , he said , was tbe annual report of the Royal Benevolent Institution for Aged Freemasons and their Widows , dated the 19 th of May , 1865 , which was received .

THE MARK DEGREE . The G . SECRETARY commenced reading a long memorial from the Grand Chapter of Scotland , on the subject ; of the Mark degree , and whether its working would be recognised by the Grand Lodgo of England , when Bro . GREGORY " , P . G . D ., rose to ask whether such a communication could be received ; but the Grand Secretary , after a slight

pause , proceeded with the reading of the document . Bro . J . E . STEBBING then rose to order , ancl said , as they did not recognise the Grand Chapter of Scotland , they could not recognise'anything that might spring from it , and he must press the question whether thafc Grand Loclge could recognise the memorial coming from the Grand Chapter of Scotland . Bro . BRACKSTONE BAKER said he submitted , with Bros .

Stebbing and Gregory , that they were not in order in receiving a memorial in the Grand Lodge of England from the Grand Cliapter , which was not recognised even by the Grand Loclge of Scotland . Bro . GREGORY said he was sure that , if a body calling itself the . Grand Conclave of Knights Templar of England were to send a memorial to the Grand Lodge , the Grand Secretary

ivould nofc read it . The G . REGISTRAR said that , when they received a communication couched in respectful language from a body of Masons who , rightly or wrongly , were banded together under a particular title , it was their duty to give such persons a direct and courteous answer , so that tlie question they put might bo

sot at rest . Ho would not go into the question as to whethe the Grand Chapter ivas recognised by the Grand Lodge of Scotland , or not , but he Avas prepared to submit a resolution in answer to the persons calling themselves Mark Masters , wliicli he hoped , would declare for ever how that Grand Lodge Avas di sposed to receive them .

Bro . the Eev . J . HUYSHE , D . Prov . G . M . for Devonshire , ancl P . G . Chap ., said he did not often address Grand Loclge , but as these documents had been sent to tbem by Free and Accepted Masons , ifc would be most nnconvteous not to send them back an answer . The Gt . SECRETARY then completed the reading of the documents , ivhich contained the following questions : —

1 st . If the Grand Lodge of England is prepared to sanction the working of the Mark Master ' s degree in England . 2 nd . Whether the Grand Loclge is prepared to recognise the body styling itself " The Grand Loclge of Mark Masters of England , Wales , and the Colonies and Possessions of the British Crown" as the lawful head of the Order of Mark Masters in .

England . The G . EEGISTRAR then said as the memorial from the Grand Cliapter of Scotland , Avhich had been read , was before Grand Loclge , ifc was his duty , as one of its officers , to propose a resolution ; but before he proceeded with that subject , he must say that Bro . Gregory was not quite right when he said that Grand Loclge did not recognise the Grand Chapter of Scotland ; for

if a brother Avas exalted in the Grand Lodge of Scotland , he was eligible to bo admitted as a joining member of the Grand Chapter of England , and to thafc extent it was recognised . He contended to a courteous communication tbey ougbfc to return a courteous reply ; but whether they could sanction the working of the Mark Masters' Degree in England , or recognise the body styling itself the Grand Lodge of Mark Masters of

England , Wales , and the Colonies ancl Possessions of the British Crown , that must depend entirely upon the " Book of Constitutions ; " ancl at page 17 of thafc book it was there pointed out and laid down and adopted by that Grand Lodge ivhat constituted ancient and pure Freemasonry . That consisted of tliree degrees , and three degrees only—that of the Entered Apprentice , the

Fellow Craft , and the Master Mason , including the holy Order of the Koyal Arch , ivhich was the crowning step of Master Masons of this country , and which recognised only those degrees ; ancl until they erased the page of the "Book of Constitutions " to which he had referred , they could recognise no other . Thafc was agreed to when a solemn union took place between the two

Grand Lodges ; and he concluded by moving a resolution to the effect that a reply be sent to the Grand Chapter of Scotland , stating that as the " Book of Constitutions" only recognised the degrees of Apprentice , Fellow Craft , and Master Mason , including the Koyal Arch , that they could give no sanction to the working of the Mark Degree . THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF GENERAL PURPOSES seconded the motion , and saicl as the article in the "Book of Constitutions" ivas a fundamental law laid cloiA'n on a former

occasion at the union of tho two Grand Lodges , ifc was not competent for that Grand Loclge to alter it . At the same time , he thought they ought to give the Grand Chapter of Scotland a courteous answer to their memorial . Bro . GREGORY said he cordially supported tho observations which had been made by the Grand Registrar and the President of the Board of General Purposes , ancl he only wished thafc the

same courtesy had been shown to other Masons ivho called themselves by another name than that of Mark Masters . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . STEBBING said ho would not propose an amendment to the resolution in the few observations he should make upon the subject , as it was not improbable this question ivould come

before the Grand Lodge on some other occasion , but he ivas glad to find the resolution of the Grand Registrar did not answer the question Avhether tbey Avould sanction the working of the Mark Degree in this country . He passed that by , and

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
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MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 4
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 7
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
ROYAL ARCH. Article 14
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 14
Obituary. Article 15
BRO. LE GENDRE N. STARKIE, Article 15
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

hoy had clone that , and made such a provision , then , and not till then , ought they to cease to accumulate . Bro . WYNNE said he should be very sorry to see the hands of the Board of Benevolence tied , and he hoped thafc the remarks ivhich had been made ivould induce the Board to be more generous in the next year than they had been in the last . The report ivas then received , ancl ordered to be entered on

the minutes . To the report was subjoined a statement of the Grand Lodge accounts at the last meeting of the Finance Committee , held on the 12 th instant , showing a balance in the hands of the Grand Treasurer of £ 6 , 033 12 s . 6 d ., and in the hands of the Grand Secretary for petty cash , £ 50 . Of these sums , there belongs to the Fund of Benevolence , £ 1 , 429 11 * . ScZ . ; to the Fund of General Purposes , £ 4 , 200 13 s . Sd . ; and in the Unappropriated Account , £ 473 7 s . 5 d .

REPORT OF THE BUILDING COMMITTEE . On the motion of Bro . HAVERS , P . G . W ., and Chairman of the Building Committee , the report was taken as read . Bro . HAVERS then moved that the report be received and entered on the minutes ; and he said thafc there was nothing , as far as he was aware of , arising out of the report which required explanation , bufc if any questions were put to the

committee he , as chairman , should be most happy to answer tbem . No question being put , the motion for the report being received ancl entered on the minutes was agreed to . THE ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION . The G . SECRETARY presented a printed hook which , he said , was tbe annual report of the Royal Benevolent Institution for Aged Freemasons and their Widows , dated the 19 th of May , 1865 , which was received .

THE MARK DEGREE . The G . SECRETARY commenced reading a long memorial from the Grand Chapter of Scotland , on the subject ; of the Mark degree , and whether its working would be recognised by the Grand Lodgo of England , when Bro . GREGORY " , P . G . D ., rose to ask whether such a communication could be received ; but the Grand Secretary , after a slight

pause , proceeded with the reading of the document . Bro . J . E . STEBBING then rose to order , ancl said , as they did not recognise the Grand Chapter of Scotland , they could not recognise'anything that might spring from it , and he must press the question whether thafc Grand Loclge could recognise the memorial coming from the Grand Chapter of Scotland . Bro . BRACKSTONE BAKER said he submitted , with Bros .

Stebbing and Gregory , that they were not in order in receiving a memorial in the Grand Lodge of England from the Grand Cliapter , which was not recognised even by the Grand Loclge of Scotland . Bro . GREGORY said he was sure that , if a body calling itself the . Grand Conclave of Knights Templar of England were to send a memorial to the Grand Lodge , the Grand Secretary

ivould nofc read it . The G . REGISTRAR said that , when they received a communication couched in respectful language from a body of Masons who , rightly or wrongly , were banded together under a particular title , it was their duty to give such persons a direct and courteous answer , so that tlie question they put might bo

sot at rest . Ho would not go into the question as to whethe the Grand Chapter ivas recognised by the Grand Lodge of Scotland , or not , but he Avas prepared to submit a resolution in answer to the persons calling themselves Mark Masters , wliicli he hoped , would declare for ever how that Grand Lodge Avas di sposed to receive them .

Bro . the Eev . J . HUYSHE , D . Prov . G . M . for Devonshire , ancl P . G . Chap ., said he did not often address Grand Loclge , but as these documents had been sent to tbem by Free and Accepted Masons , ifc would be most nnconvteous not to send them back an answer . The Gt . SECRETARY then completed the reading of the documents , ivhich contained the following questions : —

1 st . If the Grand Lodge of England is prepared to sanction the working of the Mark Master ' s degree in England . 2 nd . Whether the Grand Loclge is prepared to recognise the body styling itself " The Grand Loclge of Mark Masters of England , Wales , and the Colonies and Possessions of the British Crown" as the lawful head of the Order of Mark Masters in .

England . The G . EEGISTRAR then said as the memorial from the Grand Cliapter of Scotland , Avhich had been read , was before Grand Loclge , ifc was his duty , as one of its officers , to propose a resolution ; but before he proceeded with that subject , he must say that Bro . Gregory was not quite right when he said that Grand Loclge did not recognise the Grand Chapter of Scotland ; for

if a brother Avas exalted in the Grand Lodge of Scotland , he was eligible to bo admitted as a joining member of the Grand Chapter of England , and to thafc extent it was recognised . He contended to a courteous communication tbey ougbfc to return a courteous reply ; but whether they could sanction the working of the Mark Masters' Degree in England , or recognise the body styling itself the Grand Lodge of Mark Masters of

England , Wales , and the Colonies ancl Possessions of the British Crown , that must depend entirely upon the " Book of Constitutions ; " ancl at page 17 of thafc book it was there pointed out and laid down and adopted by that Grand Lodge ivhat constituted ancient and pure Freemasonry . That consisted of tliree degrees , and three degrees only—that of the Entered Apprentice , the

Fellow Craft , and the Master Mason , including the holy Order of the Koyal Arch , ivhich was the crowning step of Master Masons of this country , and which recognised only those degrees ; ancl until they erased the page of the "Book of Constitutions " to which he had referred , they could recognise no other . Thafc was agreed to when a solemn union took place between the two

Grand Lodges ; and he concluded by moving a resolution to the effect that a reply be sent to the Grand Chapter of Scotland , stating that as the " Book of Constitutions" only recognised the degrees of Apprentice , Fellow Craft , and Master Mason , including the Koyal Arch , that they could give no sanction to the working of the Mark Degree . THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF GENERAL PURPOSES seconded the motion , and saicl as the article in the "Book of Constitutions" ivas a fundamental law laid cloiA'n on a former

occasion at the union of tho two Grand Lodges , ifc was not competent for that Grand Loclge to alter it . At the same time , he thought they ought to give the Grand Chapter of Scotland a courteous answer to their memorial . Bro . GREGORY said he cordially supported tho observations which had been made by the Grand Registrar and the President of the Board of General Purposes , ancl he only wished thafc the

same courtesy had been shown to other Masons ivho called themselves by another name than that of Mark Masters . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . STEBBING said ho would not propose an amendment to the resolution in the few observations he should make upon the subject , as it was not improbable this question ivould come

before the Grand Lodge on some other occasion , but he ivas glad to find the resolution of the Grand Registrar did not answer the question Avhether tbey Avould sanction the working of the Mark Degree in this country . He passed that by , and

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