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Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE SCOTTISH TEMPLARS . Your correspondent "R ., " at page 66 , in allusion to "The Royal Order of Scotland , " says : — " The tradition is that after the dissolution of the Order of the Temple , many of the Knights fled to Scotlandand laced themselves under the protection

, p of King Robert the Bruce , who joined them to the Masonic fraternity , and after tho Battle of Bannockburn , in 1314 , instituted the Royal Order of H . R . M . and Knights of R . S . Y . C . S . " I am aware that such a statement as this has been put forward as a traditionbutI thinkhas been

con-, , , stantly combatted and questioned , and can therefore hardly be offered now as the traditional belief . Several writers state that the Templars joined Robert Bruce and fought in his cause until the issue of the Battle of Bannockburn ; and in " Acta Latomorum " it is stated that Robert Bruce founded

the Masonic Order of Heredom de Kilwinning after that battle ; but if these two statements are admitted as facts , they may yet have had an entirely separate existence , and fall very short of evidence that the Templars were "joined to the Masonic fraternity . " Indeedthere appears to be historic proof that the

, Templars , instead of being joined to the Masonic fraternity , merged , in Scotland , into the Order of St . John , and after the sale of the temporal Lordship of Torphichen they are said to have drawn off in a body with David Seton at their head .

In a note to the present "Statutes of the Order of the Temple for the Grand Priory of Scotland , " may be found , "The present body in Scotland merely claims to be the legitimate descendants , by adoption , of the Original Knights of the Order . The Royal Order of Scotland has never claimed , as alleged by some writersto be derived from the Ancient Order

, of Knights Templars . " At the same page your correspondent says : " The clothing worn by the Order in Scotland is exactl y the same as that used by the ancient Knights previous to the dissolution of the Order in Prance by Philip le Bel and Pope Clement Y . " This latter subject

will be one of some importance under the treaties of uniformity , and it will be well if your correspondent will assist the commissioners by giving any authority , of reasonable weight , for this statement . I need not occupy space by detailing the costume as prescribed in the Scottish Statutes , but may say , generally , that

it comprised a white woollen mantle , white tunic , white apron edged with black , white falling shirtcollar , white silk sash , white cap with red band , and buff gauntlets . The suppressions of the Templars commenced in 1307 , and it appears to me somewhat difficult to say that these few articles of a costume verv ill suited to

modern times , were " exactly the same '' as the fashion in vogue early in the 14 th century . One of our best authorities on costume ( Pairholt , ed . 1 S 00 , p . 123 ) , says : — " The parts of their dress peculiar to the Order were , the white mantle with its cross , the coif , and the cap . " Good authoritcan thus be found for the

y monastic portion of the dress of the Order , and by these only were its members bound . The mantle would probably have been retained to this day , but the costume in all other respects would have changed with the times . It appears , therefore , useless and

impolitic to be endeavouring to return to obsolete fashions which would be incongruous at this period , and if exhibited to the general public would expose the wearers to nothing short of ridicule . I should like to see this subject discussed with a view to such suitable outward marks being adopted

as may be consistent , satisfactory to the Order , and dignified in the eyes of strangers . My own view is that the mantle , with some suitable head covering , should alone be retained as costume . We should thus follow good authorit y and well consult the dignity of our Order . —LUPUS .

PREEMASONS' HALL IN 1806 . The tavern 60 years ago was a place of meeting of joint stock companies , and had a fair share of that business . The Grand Junction Canal Company held its general meetings . —JNTOTA .

PREEMASONRY MORE THAN 152 YEARS OLD . If Bro . "W . P . Buchan will look to page 150 of Yo 3 . XIX . of the Magazine , he will find reference to an old lodge of Freemasons existing in the province of Peebles and Selkirk in 1702 , from which we may infer that Freemasonry is more than 152 years old . To show that the records of the lod were dulminuted at the above

ge y date , I subjoin a copy of the minutes , as they are worded , slightly altering the spelling to make it more intelligible to our readers : — " Haughfoot , 22 nd December , 1702 . "The same day Sir James Scott of Gala , Thomas-Scott his brother , David Murray Philiphaugh , James Pvingle in HangM ' ooh , Xobert Lowrie , Stow Townhead ,

and John Pringle , wright , gave in petitions each for themselves , earnestly desiring to be admitted into the Society of Masons and Felloivcrafts , which their desire being maturely considered was accordingly agreed to and granted , and they each of them by themselves , were duly and orderly admitted Apprentice and Fellowcraft . And . there was imposed the sums following to be paid into the box , which they accordingly each for himself promised to pay viz . : —¦

Sir James Scott , seven pounds Scots . Thomas Scott , three pounds „ David Murray , one pound „ James Pringle , one pound „ Robert Lowrie , one pound „ John Pringle , one pound „ "Thereafter the meeting resolved with one voice that

there should be one yearly meeting of those concerned in this lodge at Haughfoot , in all time coming upon Sfc John ' s Day . "They also committed to Andrew Thomson , one of their number , to provide a register book against tho next meeting , and they committscl to John Hoppringle of yt ilk to appoint the next meeting , and to give timely

advertisement thereof to all concerned . " Tho above was evidently not the first meeting held by these Masons , as there are marks of leaves having boon torn out of the book , and also evidence that this John Hoppringle , by some minute of a prior date , had been appointed Master Mason in the lodge . From 1704 to 1763 meetings were held regularly and lodge business transacted . —B . SANDERSON .

THE RED CROSS OS ROME AND CONSTANTTXE . The Religious and Military Order of the Temple in Scotland claims the right to confer this chivalrio degree ; and it has been satisfactorily proved that several encampments of Masonic Knight Templars in England have regularly installed Knights . The Templars have never , to my knowledge , resigned the control of this Order . Whence , then , do the " Grand Conclave , " under Lord

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FROM LABOUR TO REFRESHMENT. Article 1
THE PRAYERS OF THE CRAFT. Article 2
THE TOPOGRAPHY OF JERUSALEM. Article 4
BRIEF NARRATIVE OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE PALESTINE EXPLORATION FUND. Article 5
BIBLES AND OTHER, EARLY PRINTED BOOKS. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
THE ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 10
INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY. Article 11
MASONIC MEMS Article 12
GRAND LODGE. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
SCOTLAND. Article 13
EDINBURGH. Article 13
CANADA. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
REASONS FOR MASONIC SECRECY. Article 16
LODGES OF INSTRUCTION Article 17
RHETORIC OF MASONRY. Article 17
WHAT DOES FREEMASONRY TEACH? Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 14TH AUGUST, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE SCOTTISH TEMPLARS . Your correspondent "R ., " at page 66 , in allusion to "The Royal Order of Scotland , " says : — " The tradition is that after the dissolution of the Order of the Temple , many of the Knights fled to Scotlandand laced themselves under the protection

, p of King Robert the Bruce , who joined them to the Masonic fraternity , and after tho Battle of Bannockburn , in 1314 , instituted the Royal Order of H . R . M . and Knights of R . S . Y . C . S . " I am aware that such a statement as this has been put forward as a traditionbutI thinkhas been

con-, , , stantly combatted and questioned , and can therefore hardly be offered now as the traditional belief . Several writers state that the Templars joined Robert Bruce and fought in his cause until the issue of the Battle of Bannockburn ; and in " Acta Latomorum " it is stated that Robert Bruce founded

the Masonic Order of Heredom de Kilwinning after that battle ; but if these two statements are admitted as facts , they may yet have had an entirely separate existence , and fall very short of evidence that the Templars were "joined to the Masonic fraternity . " Indeedthere appears to be historic proof that the

, Templars , instead of being joined to the Masonic fraternity , merged , in Scotland , into the Order of St . John , and after the sale of the temporal Lordship of Torphichen they are said to have drawn off in a body with David Seton at their head .

In a note to the present "Statutes of the Order of the Temple for the Grand Priory of Scotland , " may be found , "The present body in Scotland merely claims to be the legitimate descendants , by adoption , of the Original Knights of the Order . The Royal Order of Scotland has never claimed , as alleged by some writersto be derived from the Ancient Order

, of Knights Templars . " At the same page your correspondent says : " The clothing worn by the Order in Scotland is exactl y the same as that used by the ancient Knights previous to the dissolution of the Order in Prance by Philip le Bel and Pope Clement Y . " This latter subject

will be one of some importance under the treaties of uniformity , and it will be well if your correspondent will assist the commissioners by giving any authority , of reasonable weight , for this statement . I need not occupy space by detailing the costume as prescribed in the Scottish Statutes , but may say , generally , that

it comprised a white woollen mantle , white tunic , white apron edged with black , white falling shirtcollar , white silk sash , white cap with red band , and buff gauntlets . The suppressions of the Templars commenced in 1307 , and it appears to me somewhat difficult to say that these few articles of a costume verv ill suited to

modern times , were " exactly the same '' as the fashion in vogue early in the 14 th century . One of our best authorities on costume ( Pairholt , ed . 1 S 00 , p . 123 ) , says : — " The parts of their dress peculiar to the Order were , the white mantle with its cross , the coif , and the cap . " Good authoritcan thus be found for the

y monastic portion of the dress of the Order , and by these only were its members bound . The mantle would probably have been retained to this day , but the costume in all other respects would have changed with the times . It appears , therefore , useless and

impolitic to be endeavouring to return to obsolete fashions which would be incongruous at this period , and if exhibited to the general public would expose the wearers to nothing short of ridicule . I should like to see this subject discussed with a view to such suitable outward marks being adopted

as may be consistent , satisfactory to the Order , and dignified in the eyes of strangers . My own view is that the mantle , with some suitable head covering , should alone be retained as costume . We should thus follow good authorit y and well consult the dignity of our Order . —LUPUS .

PREEMASONS' HALL IN 1806 . The tavern 60 years ago was a place of meeting of joint stock companies , and had a fair share of that business . The Grand Junction Canal Company held its general meetings . —JNTOTA .

PREEMASONRY MORE THAN 152 YEARS OLD . If Bro . "W . P . Buchan will look to page 150 of Yo 3 . XIX . of the Magazine , he will find reference to an old lodge of Freemasons existing in the province of Peebles and Selkirk in 1702 , from which we may infer that Freemasonry is more than 152 years old . To show that the records of the lod were dulminuted at the above

ge y date , I subjoin a copy of the minutes , as they are worded , slightly altering the spelling to make it more intelligible to our readers : — " Haughfoot , 22 nd December , 1702 . "The same day Sir James Scott of Gala , Thomas-Scott his brother , David Murray Philiphaugh , James Pvingle in HangM ' ooh , Xobert Lowrie , Stow Townhead ,

and John Pringle , wright , gave in petitions each for themselves , earnestly desiring to be admitted into the Society of Masons and Felloivcrafts , which their desire being maturely considered was accordingly agreed to and granted , and they each of them by themselves , were duly and orderly admitted Apprentice and Fellowcraft . And . there was imposed the sums following to be paid into the box , which they accordingly each for himself promised to pay viz . : —¦

Sir James Scott , seven pounds Scots . Thomas Scott , three pounds „ David Murray , one pound „ James Pringle , one pound „ Robert Lowrie , one pound „ John Pringle , one pound „ "Thereafter the meeting resolved with one voice that

there should be one yearly meeting of those concerned in this lodge at Haughfoot , in all time coming upon Sfc John ' s Day . "They also committed to Andrew Thomson , one of their number , to provide a register book against tho next meeting , and they committscl to John Hoppringle of yt ilk to appoint the next meeting , and to give timely

advertisement thereof to all concerned . " Tho above was evidently not the first meeting held by these Masons , as there are marks of leaves having boon torn out of the book , and also evidence that this John Hoppringle , by some minute of a prior date , had been appointed Master Mason in the lodge . From 1704 to 1763 meetings were held regularly and lodge business transacted . —B . SANDERSON .

THE RED CROSS OS ROME AND CONSTANTTXE . The Religious and Military Order of the Temple in Scotland claims the right to confer this chivalrio degree ; and it has been satisfactorily proved that several encampments of Masonic Knight Templars in England have regularly installed Knights . The Templars have never , to my knowledge , resigned the control of this Order . Whence , then , do the " Grand Conclave , " under Lord

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