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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

§ rhe Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . LIFE GOYEENOESHIPS . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MlSaOS . Dear Sir and Brother , —I beg to hand you an

abstract of the receipts and payments of the South-Eastern Masonic Association , established in February , 1866 . The object of its' members was to obtain Life Governorships of our excellent institutions by the contribution of one shilling per week ; which object I think you will say has been worthily obtained . EECEIPTS , 1866 AND 1867 . Receipts £ 263 14 0

PAYMENTS , 1867 AND 1868 . Nine Life Governorships , aged £ 90 0 0 Seven and a Half Life Governorships , Girls 78 15 0 Pive and a Half Life Governorships , Boys 57 15 0

Expenses 3 15 0 Balance in Hand 38 9 G £ 263 14 6 "With the balance ancl the receipts on Priday the members were enabled to ballot for five additional

Life Governorships . Yours fraternally , ~ W . WINGEIEED , President . 12 , Hambly-place , Lower-road , Deptford , S . E ., Peb . 24 , 1868 .

Priority Of Lodges.

PRIORITY OF LODGES .

TO IDE EDITOR OF TEE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —My friend , Bro . Buchan , shows more zeal than discretion in his answer to Bro . Lyon ancl myself . In the first place , I do not hold my friend , Bro . Findel , to be an authority on the antiquity of Scots lodges—by this I mean the operative —ancl on several other points I decidedly disagree

with him ; while , on Germany , I hold his information to be perfect . In the second place , Bro . Buchan evidently misunderstands Mordo ' s inscription . Mordo does not pretend to be the builder , but the " keeper " of the different cathedrals named , and Bre . Buchan conveniently ignores " Sanctandroys , " the church of

the Primate of Scotland . I knew . "Wade , the author of " Melrose , " and I know Currie , the sculptor at Darnick , who gave "Wade all the information necessary to compile his book . The word " Grand Master , " or " Magnus Magister , " was unknown to the operative masonstill many years after Mordo

, lived . Bro . Buchan is fully answered by Bro . Lyon as to the connection between the Mother and the Canongate ^ Kilwinning . Supposing 3 proves her antiquity , it will only be as a body of workmen hired by a corporation to do certain worknot as an independent

, lodge , possessing a charter of so much importance as that of Malcolm . It is on this ground , that I deny the antiquity of Mary ' s Chapel as an independent lodge .

Priority Of Lodges.

I must decline showing Bro . Buchan the cards I intend to play . The first lead off came off from Glasgow , and I want to know Glasgow ' s case . Por this purpose would Bro . Buchan kindly give us ( 1 ) An exact copy , word for word , so far as possible , with all the contractionsof the charter ; ( 2 ) tell us when

, did the charter first become known and to the public ; and ( 3 ) what proof has 3 that it is the Lodge of Glasgow referred to in the charter . These questions narrow the subject .- but I have no objections , if the charter can be seen , to go through to Glasgow and see it with an expert .

I thank E . Y . for his hint as to the Anglo Saxon ,. , which has not fallen on arid ground . Let him look at Mabillon ' s "De Be Dip lomatic . ! . " Yours fraternally , ANTHONY ONEAL HAYS ,, P . L ., C . K . L .

Father Suffield And Freemasonry.

FATHER SUFFIELD AND FREEMASONRY .

TO SHE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEROE , Dear Sir and Brother , —A great deal too much fuss has been made about Father Suffield . Why should not Eather Suffield have his fling against Preemasonry , ns well as other institutions of his native land ? A word furtherwhy should uot Father Suffield have

, some justification for what he says about Preemasonry ? Bro . Ezra Holmes , although a member of the 30 th degree in England , may not know everything about Masonry everywhere else , aud he is rather hasty in his protestations . Pro . Holmes is able to

attest as to English Masons and Masonry in these islands , and every Mason here can bear testimony to the truthfulness of his words . It is quite sufficient for us to bear testimony to the integrity of jlasonry in this its mother and orthodox country . If Father SuJSelcl knows anything different about Masonry in

those Eomau Catholic countries where his brethren have the direction of education and the sway of consciences , ' by all means let him have the full benefit of it ; we have nothing to do with that , and do not hold

ourselves responsible for it , any more than he would acknowledge himself accountable to a Mussulman or Jewish doctor in controversy for the vagaries of his brother Christians , the Mormonites , the Taepings , the Hau-haus , and the Peculiar Brethren . All these are fellow Christians with Father Suffield just ns much as Eobison ' s and Suffield ' s alleged Masons are

brother Masons with the Masons in England . Professor Eobison published his revelations as to the Masonry of the French Encyclopaedists and Jacobins . At that time the Iving of England , who had great power ancl a great horror of Jacobinism , was no other than George III . ; nevertheless he

and his Parliament passed judgment on the loyalty and morality of English Masons by enacting the 39 th Geo . III ., granting the protection of tha anv to the accused society , which he had already chartered . Even Father Suffield does not believe that the Kin g and Queen Charlotte were guillotined by the

Freemasons in consequence . If Father Suffield at this crisis wishes to bring the loyalty of Soman Catholic priests into doubt by coupling Freemasonry and Fenianism , because they begin with F , let him do so as much and as often , i :.

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EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 3
SKETCH OF THE HISTORY OF THE MARK MASTERS' DEGREE, &c. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
PRIORITY OF LODGES. Article 9
FATHER SUFFIELD AND FREEMASONRY. Article 9
THE TENDENCY OF SOME CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
FATHER SUFFIELD AND FEEEMASONRY. Article 10
BRO. METHAM'S ORATION. Article 10
ANTIQUITY OF THE ROYAL ARCH. Article 10
H.R.H. PRINCE SKANDERBEG. Article 10
CHRISTIANITY AND FREEMASONRY. Article 11
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 11
LODGE MUSIC. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
GRAND LODGE. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 17
PROVINCIAL. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 18
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 19
Obituary. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MARCH 14TH , 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING MARCH 14TII , 1868. Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

§ rhe Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . LIFE GOYEENOESHIPS . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MlSaOS . Dear Sir and Brother , —I beg to hand you an

abstract of the receipts and payments of the South-Eastern Masonic Association , established in February , 1866 . The object of its' members was to obtain Life Governorships of our excellent institutions by the contribution of one shilling per week ; which object I think you will say has been worthily obtained . EECEIPTS , 1866 AND 1867 . Receipts £ 263 14 0

PAYMENTS , 1867 AND 1868 . Nine Life Governorships , aged £ 90 0 0 Seven and a Half Life Governorships , Girls 78 15 0 Pive and a Half Life Governorships , Boys 57 15 0

Expenses 3 15 0 Balance in Hand 38 9 G £ 263 14 6 "With the balance ancl the receipts on Priday the members were enabled to ballot for five additional

Life Governorships . Yours fraternally , ~ W . WINGEIEED , President . 12 , Hambly-place , Lower-road , Deptford , S . E ., Peb . 24 , 1868 .

Priority Of Lodges.

PRIORITY OF LODGES .

TO IDE EDITOR OF TEE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —My friend , Bro . Buchan , shows more zeal than discretion in his answer to Bro . Lyon ancl myself . In the first place , I do not hold my friend , Bro . Findel , to be an authority on the antiquity of Scots lodges—by this I mean the operative —ancl on several other points I decidedly disagree

with him ; while , on Germany , I hold his information to be perfect . In the second place , Bro . Buchan evidently misunderstands Mordo ' s inscription . Mordo does not pretend to be the builder , but the " keeper " of the different cathedrals named , and Bre . Buchan conveniently ignores " Sanctandroys , " the church of

the Primate of Scotland . I knew . "Wade , the author of " Melrose , " and I know Currie , the sculptor at Darnick , who gave "Wade all the information necessary to compile his book . The word " Grand Master , " or " Magnus Magister , " was unknown to the operative masonstill many years after Mordo

, lived . Bro . Buchan is fully answered by Bro . Lyon as to the connection between the Mother and the Canongate ^ Kilwinning . Supposing 3 proves her antiquity , it will only be as a body of workmen hired by a corporation to do certain worknot as an independent

, lodge , possessing a charter of so much importance as that of Malcolm . It is on this ground , that I deny the antiquity of Mary ' s Chapel as an independent lodge .

Priority Of Lodges.

I must decline showing Bro . Buchan the cards I intend to play . The first lead off came off from Glasgow , and I want to know Glasgow ' s case . Por this purpose would Bro . Buchan kindly give us ( 1 ) An exact copy , word for word , so far as possible , with all the contractionsof the charter ; ( 2 ) tell us when

, did the charter first become known and to the public ; and ( 3 ) what proof has 3 that it is the Lodge of Glasgow referred to in the charter . These questions narrow the subject .- but I have no objections , if the charter can be seen , to go through to Glasgow and see it with an expert .

I thank E . Y . for his hint as to the Anglo Saxon ,. , which has not fallen on arid ground . Let him look at Mabillon ' s "De Be Dip lomatic . ! . " Yours fraternally , ANTHONY ONEAL HAYS ,, P . L ., C . K . L .

Father Suffield And Freemasonry.

FATHER SUFFIELD AND FREEMASONRY .

TO SHE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEROE , Dear Sir and Brother , —A great deal too much fuss has been made about Father Suffield . Why should not Eather Suffield have his fling against Preemasonry , ns well as other institutions of his native land ? A word furtherwhy should uot Father Suffield have

, some justification for what he says about Preemasonry ? Bro . Ezra Holmes , although a member of the 30 th degree in England , may not know everything about Masonry everywhere else , aud he is rather hasty in his protestations . Pro . Holmes is able to

attest as to English Masons and Masonry in these islands , and every Mason here can bear testimony to the truthfulness of his words . It is quite sufficient for us to bear testimony to the integrity of jlasonry in this its mother and orthodox country . If Father SuJSelcl knows anything different about Masonry in

those Eomau Catholic countries where his brethren have the direction of education and the sway of consciences , ' by all means let him have the full benefit of it ; we have nothing to do with that , and do not hold

ourselves responsible for it , any more than he would acknowledge himself accountable to a Mussulman or Jewish doctor in controversy for the vagaries of his brother Christians , the Mormonites , the Taepings , the Hau-haus , and the Peculiar Brethren . All these are fellow Christians with Father Suffield just ns much as Eobison ' s and Suffield ' s alleged Masons are

brother Masons with the Masons in England . Professor Eobison published his revelations as to the Masonry of the French Encyclopaedists and Jacobins . At that time the Iving of England , who had great power ancl a great horror of Jacobinism , was no other than George III . ; nevertheless he

and his Parliament passed judgment on the loyalty and morality of English Masons by enacting the 39 th Geo . III ., granting the protection of tha anv to the accused society , which he had already chartered . Even Father Suffield does not believe that the Kin g and Queen Charlotte were guillotined by the

Freemasons in consequence . If Father Suffield at this crisis wishes to bring the loyalty of Soman Catholic priests into doubt by coupling Freemasonry and Fenianism , because they begin with F , let him do so as much and as often , i :.

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