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Masonic Charity.

convicted of an imposition unworthy a Freemasons ' lodge . I am , clear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , INVESTIGATOR . November 30 th , 1863 .

Lodge Of Harmony (No. 600).

LODGE OF HARMONY ( No . 600 ) .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AKD MAS 03 TI 0 MIRROR . DEAR SIR AUD BROTHER , —My feelings were greatly shocked on reading in your last impression a " resolution , " which had been forwarded to you for insertion from the lodge of Harmony ( No . 600 ) , in which my simplest rules arc set at defiance . My esteemed Bro . ' Cocker assures me that he entertains serious alarm that

his regulations have been most cruelly treated by the same loclge . Will you kindly watch over both interests , aud enlist the protection of the brotherhood on our behalf ? I am , dear Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , LINMEY MUERAT . York , December 1 st , 1863 .

The Antiquity Of Masonic Degrees.

THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —May I beg you to allow me once again to notice the last communications of " Delta " and " Rosa Crncis , " though I hacl , indeed , intended to close our controversy ? I have but little to say to "Delta . " As regards the old York system , I recognise no

authority but that of the old York Grand Lodgo ; and it is idle for " Delta" to quote the ipse dixit of a High Grand Official as an answer to any question to him . That surely can bo no authority as regards the point in dispute . Whatever individual Masons may choose to call the York system , or to dub tho York Rite , the only true

system I know of is that system of working which is limited to the Craft Degrees and the Royal Ai * ch ; while the only authority I could consent to bow to is that of the Old York Grand Lodge . I do not see that anything else which "Delta" has said calls for further remarks from me . But , with respect to "Rosa Crucis" the case is very differenthe

, ; has put forward a good deal which requires notice . I beg respectfully again to assert , despite so high an . authority , that our present system of Uraft working is much anterior to 1715 . Tho very phraseology of portions of our ceremonies is

much earlier , speaking philologically , than the beginning of the eighteenth century , to which " Rosa Crucis" seems wishful to limit them . " Rosa Crucis" is , moreover , completely in error as regards the Sloane MS ., 384-8 , disproving the Master ' s degree . This statement , taken apparently from Bro . Dr . Oliver ' s

" Masonic Treasury , " and clearly not verified by " Rosa Crucis , " as it ought to have been , is , as I have already pointed out , in a previous letter to " Delta , " a grievous blunder . The Sloane MS ., 0848 , is nothing but a transcript of the old history and articles , and operative regulations of Masonry , written by Edwardus Sankey , iu 1646 , October 16 th . It has nothing to do with the

ritual of Masonry , but yet , incidentally , it does clearly point to the separate Order and functions and grade of Master . But there is a Sloane MS ., 3329 , which , as I have already stated iu THE MAGAZINE , is most decisive of the question , as I look upon it , and which I recommended " Rosa Crucis" as I recommended " Delta" to peruse

, , for himself . He will then see that about the middle of the 17 th century , as I asserted , there is evidence sufficient to prove to all instructed Masons , that the Master was separate in degree , iu authority , in-secret , from Fellow Craft and from Apprentice .

The Antiquity Of Masonic Degrees.

If " Rosa Crucis " will look to the end of the Harleian MS ., 2054 , in the handwriting of Randle Holmes , he will see this statement indisputably confirmed . " Rosa Crucis " talks about what he is pleased to call " the Legend of Hiram " being unknown in 1646 . It is strange that he has forgotten the simple fact thafc in all the MS . histories and constitutions of the Order ,

whether you take additional MS . 23 , 198 , or the Harleian 2054 , or the Lansdowne 98 , or the Sloane 3848 , or the Sloane 3323 , or the printed copy in the " Gentleman ' s Magazine" of 1815 , allusion either by direct name , or by what is clearly a clerical error , is made to Hiram of Tyre , or Hiram the Master . Thus the outer constitutions or articles confirm , as we

well know , our inner oral traditions . I am sorry thafc "Bosa Crucis" has to quote the authority of the writer of " Ahiman Rezon . " In no controversy where Masonic truth is sought , or Masonic honour is upheld , can such unreliable , such unworthy authority be put forward either with safety or propriety . I do not believe his statementfor the simple reason

, thafc we bave plenty of evidence to contradict it , aud thafc we prove him to have been an unscrupulous partizan and a reckless and discreditable opponent of Grand Lodge . " Rosa Crucis " asks me what it is I contend for ; I answer him shortly . Thafc we have nowin our Craft system of working

, , and in the Royal Arch , substantially the same ritual as prevailed among the operative lodges . That , when in 1715 , the speculative element got the upper hand , the same olcl system was preserved and handed down , allowing , of course , for the preponderance of the speculative element , and for the unavoidable changes of time and

circumstances . But what I have now contended for , and contend for still , is , that notwithstanding recent attacks we have abundant evidence and proof that Craft Masoury is both in itself and in its ritual older than any other Order or degree whatsoever . Ifc is older than the Masonic Knighfcs Templar or the Grand Conclaveifc is olderas I believethan the

Che-; , , valiers du Temple at Paris ; it is older than " Malta Pass , " or Ancient and Accepted Bite . If " Rosa Crucis " really believes that any of the above named Orders , or degrees , retain the actual system of the Orders whose names they bear , he is right to continue firm in that belief . I can only express an equally confident opinion as to

the superior antiquity of Craft Masonry and the Craft Ritual , as tbe forerunner of all inner and secret organisation , as tho foundation on which every other l'itual actually rests . I wish , in conclusion , thafc " Rosa Crucis " would favour us with a few authorities and references for all his many and startling statements ; will he refer me to the "Constitutions of the French Langue , " to

the Order of Graud Lodge in 17 * 22 , to the acknowledgment in 1787 ? These are facts and dates , better than any statements , ancl one really likes to see for oneself the context of such important documents . I quite agree with the remarks of Bro . Dr . Oliver ; and as onlobject is the holding of Masonic truthand

my y up , the support of what I conscientiously believe to be unimpeachable , I beg , once more , gratefully to subscribe myself , Yours fraternally , Enon . November 30 th , 1863 .

The Suspensions In Jersey.

THE SUSPENSIONS IN JERSEY .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEBOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Though iu your leading article of to-day you have expressed your total dissent from the arguments in the letter from Bro . Desraoulins , which is very properly appended to it , therein are personal statements respecting myself , as your correspondent ,

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GRAND LODGE. Article 1
MOTHER KILWINNING. Article 1
MANCHESTER MASONIC RELIEF COMMITTEE. Article 4
ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED FREEMASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 4
OLD DUNDEE LODGE (No. 18). Article 6
Untitled Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND OTJEKIE8. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
MASONIC CHARITY. Article 10
LODGE OF HARMONY (No. 600). Article 11
THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES. Article 11
THE SUSPENSIONS IN JERSEY. Article 11
WESTERN INDIA. Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
Untitled Article 17
SCOTLAND. Article 18
IRELAND. Article 18
ASIA MINOR. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Charity.

convicted of an imposition unworthy a Freemasons ' lodge . I am , clear Sir and Brother , yours fraternally , INVESTIGATOR . November 30 th , 1863 .

Lodge Of Harmony (No. 600).

LODGE OF HARMONY ( No . 600 ) .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AKD MAS 03 TI 0 MIRROR . DEAR SIR AUD BROTHER , —My feelings were greatly shocked on reading in your last impression a " resolution , " which had been forwarded to you for insertion from the lodge of Harmony ( No . 600 ) , in which my simplest rules arc set at defiance . My esteemed Bro . ' Cocker assures me that he entertains serious alarm that

his regulations have been most cruelly treated by the same loclge . Will you kindly watch over both interests , aud enlist the protection of the brotherhood on our behalf ? I am , dear Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , LINMEY MUERAT . York , December 1 st , 1863 .

The Antiquity Of Masonic Degrees.

THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —May I beg you to allow me once again to notice the last communications of " Delta " and " Rosa Crncis , " though I hacl , indeed , intended to close our controversy ? I have but little to say to "Delta . " As regards the old York system , I recognise no

authority but that of the old York Grand Lodgo ; and it is idle for " Delta" to quote the ipse dixit of a High Grand Official as an answer to any question to him . That surely can bo no authority as regards the point in dispute . Whatever individual Masons may choose to call the York system , or to dub tho York Rite , the only true

system I know of is that system of working which is limited to the Craft Degrees and the Royal Ai * ch ; while the only authority I could consent to bow to is that of the Old York Grand Lodge . I do not see that anything else which "Delta" has said calls for further remarks from me . But , with respect to "Rosa Crucis" the case is very differenthe

, ; has put forward a good deal which requires notice . I beg respectfully again to assert , despite so high an . authority , that our present system of Uraft working is much anterior to 1715 . Tho very phraseology of portions of our ceremonies is

much earlier , speaking philologically , than the beginning of the eighteenth century , to which " Rosa Crucis" seems wishful to limit them . " Rosa Crucis" is , moreover , completely in error as regards the Sloane MS ., 384-8 , disproving the Master ' s degree . This statement , taken apparently from Bro . Dr . Oliver ' s

" Masonic Treasury , " and clearly not verified by " Rosa Crucis , " as it ought to have been , is , as I have already pointed out , in a previous letter to " Delta , " a grievous blunder . The Sloane MS ., 0848 , is nothing but a transcript of the old history and articles , and operative regulations of Masonry , written by Edwardus Sankey , iu 1646 , October 16 th . It has nothing to do with the

ritual of Masonry , but yet , incidentally , it does clearly point to the separate Order and functions and grade of Master . But there is a Sloane MS ., 3329 , which , as I have already stated iu THE MAGAZINE , is most decisive of the question , as I look upon it , and which I recommended " Rosa Crucis" as I recommended " Delta" to peruse

, , for himself . He will then see that about the middle of the 17 th century , as I asserted , there is evidence sufficient to prove to all instructed Masons , that the Master was separate in degree , iu authority , in-secret , from Fellow Craft and from Apprentice .

The Antiquity Of Masonic Degrees.

If " Rosa Crucis " will look to the end of the Harleian MS ., 2054 , in the handwriting of Randle Holmes , he will see this statement indisputably confirmed . " Rosa Crucis " talks about what he is pleased to call " the Legend of Hiram " being unknown in 1646 . It is strange that he has forgotten the simple fact thafc in all the MS . histories and constitutions of the Order ,

whether you take additional MS . 23 , 198 , or the Harleian 2054 , or the Lansdowne 98 , or the Sloane 3848 , or the Sloane 3323 , or the printed copy in the " Gentleman ' s Magazine" of 1815 , allusion either by direct name , or by what is clearly a clerical error , is made to Hiram of Tyre , or Hiram the Master . Thus the outer constitutions or articles confirm , as we

well know , our inner oral traditions . I am sorry thafc "Bosa Crucis" has to quote the authority of the writer of " Ahiman Rezon . " In no controversy where Masonic truth is sought , or Masonic honour is upheld , can such unreliable , such unworthy authority be put forward either with safety or propriety . I do not believe his statementfor the simple reason

, thafc we bave plenty of evidence to contradict it , aud thafc we prove him to have been an unscrupulous partizan and a reckless and discreditable opponent of Grand Lodge . " Rosa Crucis " asks me what it is I contend for ; I answer him shortly . Thafc we have nowin our Craft system of working

, , and in the Royal Arch , substantially the same ritual as prevailed among the operative lodges . That , when in 1715 , the speculative element got the upper hand , the same olcl system was preserved and handed down , allowing , of course , for the preponderance of the speculative element , and for the unavoidable changes of time and

circumstances . But what I have now contended for , and contend for still , is , that notwithstanding recent attacks we have abundant evidence and proof that Craft Masoury is both in itself and in its ritual older than any other Order or degree whatsoever . Ifc is older than the Masonic Knighfcs Templar or the Grand Conclaveifc is olderas I believethan the

Che-; , , valiers du Temple at Paris ; it is older than " Malta Pass , " or Ancient and Accepted Bite . If " Rosa Crucis " really believes that any of the above named Orders , or degrees , retain the actual system of the Orders whose names they bear , he is right to continue firm in that belief . I can only express an equally confident opinion as to

the superior antiquity of Craft Masonry and the Craft Ritual , as tbe forerunner of all inner and secret organisation , as tho foundation on which every other l'itual actually rests . I wish , in conclusion , thafc " Rosa Crucis " would favour us with a few authorities and references for all his many and startling statements ; will he refer me to the "Constitutions of the French Langue , " to

the Order of Graud Lodge in 17 * 22 , to the acknowledgment in 1787 ? These are facts and dates , better than any statements , ancl one really likes to see for oneself the context of such important documents . I quite agree with the remarks of Bro . Dr . Oliver ; and as onlobject is the holding of Masonic truthand

my y up , the support of what I conscientiously believe to be unimpeachable , I beg , once more , gratefully to subscribe myself , Yours fraternally , Enon . November 30 th , 1863 .

The Suspensions In Jersey.

THE SUSPENSIONS IN JERSEY .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEBOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Though iu your leading article of to-day you have expressed your total dissent from the arguments in the letter from Bro . Desraoulins , which is very properly appended to it , therein are personal statements respecting myself , as your correspondent ,

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