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acknowledge or repudiate the authorship of so unfair , unjust , and disgraceful an attack upon the officers and members of the Glamorgan Lodge . I am , Dear Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , NELSON D . MARKS , S . D . Glamorgan Lodge . [ AVe have reason to believefrom letters in our

-, pos session , that the report of our correspondent was in no instance garbled . As regards Bro . Marks ' s impertinent observations in tbe last paragraph of his letter , we unhesitatingly answer his challenge by announcing that the article of which he complains was written in our own office , and we are quite prepared to stand by it , and the opinions therein expressed . —ED . P . M . AND M . M . ]

TO THE EDITOR OP THE EBEEHASOX's' MAGAZINE AlfD MASOITIO JIIHEO ** . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have read , with deep regret , your leading article on the " Double Initiation" in the Glamorgan Lodge . Having to preside at a lodge of emergency in the Bute Loclge the same evening the event referred to took place , I am not so well acquainted with

the particulars of the case as many others , and shall only briefly refer to them . I cannot , however , allow the allusion to our Provincial Grand Master to pass unnoticed . Since tho first steps were taken for forming the Bute Lodge , about ten months ago , I have had many interviews , aud much correspondence with himand I unhesitatinglaffirm that no

, y greater calamity could befall the province than the removal of our excellent and respected Prov . G . M . May that event never take place until , in the natural course of events , he shall be summoned to receive the reward promised to the faithful in all ages ! It is not often that a Prov . G-. M . is called upon to act judicially ; but in a recent case , in which I was much

interested , I can sjDeak with confidence of the great attention he paid to every point , of the strict impartiality manifested throughout , of the firmness of his manner , of his gentlemanly and courteous bearing , and last , but not least , of the thorough acquaintance of Masonic law and Masonic principles which he evinced . I do not propose to express an opinion on the case in question ; but , whether right , or wrong , it must be borne in mind that a thoi-ough knowledge of Masonic law ,

however valuable it may and must be , is not the only qualification for a Prov . G . M . A Prov * . G . M ., in pronouncing a legal oijinion , ought to be in possession of all particulars of the case , but iu this instance the discussion had taken place before hs entered the lodge , and he simply heard the statements ( the correctness of which I do not for one moment doubt )

of two Past Masters of the lodge , both of whom hacl served or are serving the high office of Warden of the Province . It is only reasonable that a Prov . G . M . should wish to have the advice and assistance of his principal officers , and , relying on their opinion , he acquiesced in the decision of the lodge ; but , I am informed , did so onlas an ordinary subscribing member of the lod

y ge , and refused to express that opinion in open lodge , as he did not attend in his official capacity , and had not heard the full arguments . The case was one possessing many peculiarities , and a great difference of opinion existed in tho lodgo . I believe no brother is so well able to rule the affairs of tho province as Ool . Tynte . Ever ready to promote Masonic or

other Charities ( and I may here mention he has inaugurated a most comprehensive scheme for every Master of a lodge in tho province to become a life governor of all the Masonic Charities ) , firm and strictly , impartial in every act , dignified , yet easy of access , of the highest character as a man and a Mason , —no one who has the honour and privilege of knowing him can fail fco respect and esteem him . I would rather , and will yet hope thafc a more able pen than mine may be used in expatiating on his many

Correspondence.

excellent qualities ; but I beg to assure you that , however unable to do him justice , no one can more respect him than , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours faithfully and fraternally , Jorn-f G . TiroRr , W . M . of the Bute Lodge , 960 , aud subscribing member of the Glamorgan , 36 .

Masonic Charity.

MASONIC CHARITY .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EHEEJCASOXS MAGAZIXE AUD MASONIC lllKHOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , — " Lodge No . 600 " " having been ( i . e . its members ) interested observers of tho correspondence between their esteemed and worthy 'Treasurer' and 'Investigator' iu the columns of your MAGAZINE , feel it incumbent on them to express , by a vote of its members in lodge assembled , their unqualified

approval of the course taken by their Treasurer in that correspondence . " Loclge No . 600 also respectfully asked you to allow this superlative resolution to appear in your MAGAZINE , along with a statement that it was passed unanimously , and will be recorded on the minutes of the lodge , so that future generations of harmonious brethren may be full

y apprised of the notoriety the lodge had attained in these days . Lodge No . 600 does not state how many of its " eighty-one " members were then in " lodge assembled , " nor whether a fracas improved its harmony , or if any of its members declined to vote , or retired in dudgeon to more congenial spheres . This , of course , need not

necessarily appear on its minutes , nor even in your paper . Lodge No . 600 does not say by resolution , or otherwise , if the disbursements of its funds , as set forth in the tables published in your MAGAZINE of September 12 th , be true or false , or if Table No . 1 be not a braggart show on paper of " funds , " which have not , nor ever had an existence , except in the fertile imagination of its "

esteemed and worthy Treasurer ; " but it virtually admits that the doubt is beyond its j ) ower to gainsay . Lodge No . 600 does not say by resolution , or otherwise , what becomes of the various sums stated iu Table

No . 2 to be voted to " Institutions connected with this lodge , " or if those various sums are ever disbursed out of the one general fund , or if the " Institutions " have now , or ever had an existence , except in the tables ; but it virtually admits its total inability to account for them . Lodge No . 600 does not give its reasons for ignoring

the Masonic Charities ; but , by giving its solo support to local institutions it virtually admits its non-Masonic sympathies , and furnishes a strong argument against itself as a Masonic lodge , and establishes its claims to be ranked amongst the friendly societies . Lodge No . 600 does not state how large a number of its members are non-resident , nor does it say what is

the average attendance at its lodge meetings , or what is its provincial status , uor the condition of its chapter [ the furniture of wliieh is on sale ); but it virtually admits that all this is unanswerably detrimental to its position as a Masonic lodge . Lodge No . 600 does not answer the inquiry , if it has falsely returned members as " subscribing members " to

avoid encroachments on its own funds ; but it tacitly admits the impeachment . Lodge No . 600 may pass a resolution " approving the course taken by its Treasurer , in this correspondence ;" it may record the same on its minutes , and publish it to the Masouic world , but it dare not attempt to remove the sti under which this correspondence has placed

gma it ; it dare not enter into controversy respecting the truthfulness of the tables , which it deliberately published in your MAGAZINE , and which have been deliberately assumed to be a falsity ; it has not tho moral courage to attempt their defence , audit virtually stands

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THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES. Article 11
THE SUSPENSIONS IN JERSEY. Article 11
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Correspondence.

acknowledge or repudiate the authorship of so unfair , unjust , and disgraceful an attack upon the officers and members of the Glamorgan Lodge . I am , Dear Sir aud Brother , yours fraternally , NELSON D . MARKS , S . D . Glamorgan Lodge . [ AVe have reason to believefrom letters in our

-, pos session , that the report of our correspondent was in no instance garbled . As regards Bro . Marks ' s impertinent observations in tbe last paragraph of his letter , we unhesitatingly answer his challenge by announcing that the article of which he complains was written in our own office , and we are quite prepared to stand by it , and the opinions therein expressed . —ED . P . M . AND M . M . ]

TO THE EDITOR OP THE EBEEHASOX's' MAGAZINE AlfD MASOITIO JIIHEO ** . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —I have read , with deep regret , your leading article on the " Double Initiation" in the Glamorgan Lodge . Having to preside at a lodge of emergency in the Bute Loclge the same evening the event referred to took place , I am not so well acquainted with

the particulars of the case as many others , and shall only briefly refer to them . I cannot , however , allow the allusion to our Provincial Grand Master to pass unnoticed . Since tho first steps were taken for forming the Bute Lodge , about ten months ago , I have had many interviews , aud much correspondence with himand I unhesitatinglaffirm that no

, y greater calamity could befall the province than the removal of our excellent and respected Prov . G . M . May that event never take place until , in the natural course of events , he shall be summoned to receive the reward promised to the faithful in all ages ! It is not often that a Prov . G-. M . is called upon to act judicially ; but in a recent case , in which I was much

interested , I can sjDeak with confidence of the great attention he paid to every point , of the strict impartiality manifested throughout , of the firmness of his manner , of his gentlemanly and courteous bearing , and last , but not least , of the thorough acquaintance of Masonic law and Masonic principles which he evinced . I do not propose to express an opinion on the case in question ; but , whether right , or wrong , it must be borne in mind that a thoi-ough knowledge of Masonic law ,

however valuable it may and must be , is not the only qualification for a Prov . G . M . A Prov * . G . M ., in pronouncing a legal oijinion , ought to be in possession of all particulars of the case , but iu this instance the discussion had taken place before hs entered the lodge , and he simply heard the statements ( the correctness of which I do not for one moment doubt )

of two Past Masters of the lodge , both of whom hacl served or are serving the high office of Warden of the Province . It is only reasonable that a Prov . G . M . should wish to have the advice and assistance of his principal officers , and , relying on their opinion , he acquiesced in the decision of the lodge ; but , I am informed , did so onlas an ordinary subscribing member of the lod

y ge , and refused to express that opinion in open lodge , as he did not attend in his official capacity , and had not heard the full arguments . The case was one possessing many peculiarities , and a great difference of opinion existed in tho lodgo . I believe no brother is so well able to rule the affairs of tho province as Ool . Tynte . Ever ready to promote Masonic or

other Charities ( and I may here mention he has inaugurated a most comprehensive scheme for every Master of a lodge in tho province to become a life governor of all the Masonic Charities ) , firm and strictly , impartial in every act , dignified , yet easy of access , of the highest character as a man and a Mason , —no one who has the honour and privilege of knowing him can fail fco respect and esteem him . I would rather , and will yet hope thafc a more able pen than mine may be used in expatiating on his many

Correspondence.

excellent qualities ; but I beg to assure you that , however unable to do him justice , no one can more respect him than , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours faithfully and fraternally , Jorn-f G . TiroRr , W . M . of the Bute Lodge , 960 , aud subscribing member of the Glamorgan , 36 .

Masonic Charity.

MASONIC CHARITY .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EHEEJCASOXS MAGAZIXE AUD MASONIC lllKHOE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , — " Lodge No . 600 " " having been ( i . e . its members ) interested observers of tho correspondence between their esteemed and worthy 'Treasurer' and 'Investigator' iu the columns of your MAGAZINE , feel it incumbent on them to express , by a vote of its members in lodge assembled , their unqualified

approval of the course taken by their Treasurer in that correspondence . " Loclge No . 600 also respectfully asked you to allow this superlative resolution to appear in your MAGAZINE , along with a statement that it was passed unanimously , and will be recorded on the minutes of the lodge , so that future generations of harmonious brethren may be full

y apprised of the notoriety the lodge had attained in these days . Lodge No . 600 does not state how many of its " eighty-one " members were then in " lodge assembled , " nor whether a fracas improved its harmony , or if any of its members declined to vote , or retired in dudgeon to more congenial spheres . This , of course , need not

necessarily appear on its minutes , nor even in your paper . Lodge No . 600 does not say by resolution , or otherwise , if the disbursements of its funds , as set forth in the tables published in your MAGAZINE of September 12 th , be true or false , or if Table No . 1 be not a braggart show on paper of " funds , " which have not , nor ever had an existence , except in the fertile imagination of its "

esteemed and worthy Treasurer ; " but it virtually admits that the doubt is beyond its j ) ower to gainsay . Lodge No . 600 does not say by resolution , or otherwise , what becomes of the various sums stated iu Table

No . 2 to be voted to " Institutions connected with this lodge , " or if those various sums are ever disbursed out of the one general fund , or if the " Institutions " have now , or ever had an existence , except in the tables ; but it virtually admits its total inability to account for them . Lodge No . 600 does not give its reasons for ignoring

the Masonic Charities ; but , by giving its solo support to local institutions it virtually admits its non-Masonic sympathies , and furnishes a strong argument against itself as a Masonic lodge , and establishes its claims to be ranked amongst the friendly societies . Lodge No . 600 does not state how large a number of its members are non-resident , nor does it say what is

the average attendance at its lodge meetings , or what is its provincial status , uor the condition of its chapter [ the furniture of wliieh is on sale ); but it virtually admits that all this is unanswerably detrimental to its position as a Masonic lodge . Lodge No . 600 does not answer the inquiry , if it has falsely returned members as " subscribing members " to

avoid encroachments on its own funds ; but it tacitly admits the impeachment . Lodge No . 600 may pass a resolution " approving the course taken by its Treasurer , in this correspondence ;" it may record the same on its minutes , and publish it to the Masouic world , but it dare not attempt to remove the sti under which this correspondence has placed

gma it ; it dare not enter into controversy respecting the truthfulness of the tables , which it deliberately published in your MAGAZINE , and which have been deliberately assumed to be a falsity ; it has not tho moral courage to attempt their defence , audit virtually stands

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