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Habits Desirable Por Masons' Sons.

GOOD TEMPEAES . Having been called upon by Bro . Hughan to address the readers of the Freemasons' Magazine , and give my opinion , I think it right to say that a society like the Good Templars , that abstains from

intoxicating liquors , and wages Avar against drunkenness , is anti-Masonic . Such a society is not according to the landmarks , but the watermarks . If we drink water will the worth y and worshipful hosts let us meet in public houses , whicli is one of the ancient privileges of Freemasons ? Would not the miserable remnant be compelled to erect Masonic halls and buildings of their own ? " Give me again my public house—my glass of grog , and liberty . "— W . HABEIS .

GEAND LODGE OPPICEES . Will any of your readers be good enough to state their opinion , for the information of myself and others , on the following subject : "The precedence of Grand Lodge officers as laid down in the ' Book of Constitutions' page 17 small edition—should that

, , govern the precedence of officers of Provincial Grand Lodges . At' page 51 , par . 3 , it states that no brother can he appointed a Provincial Grand Warden unless he he the Master or Past Master of a lodge ; nor a Provincial Grand Deacon , unless he be a Warden or Past Warden of a lodge . ' ' ' Now , the Secretary ,

Treasurer , and Registrar may be appointed from Master Masons , I presume ; and as at page 45 , par . 2 , the Provincial Grand Master is empowered to appoint , for his province , a deputy , two Wardens , and two Deacons , and other officers , why should the Grand Registrar of a provincefor instanceand for whom

, , no previous qualification is stated , rank above a Grand Deacon , as the Registrar has not the duties to perform as the Grand Registrar of the Grand Lodge of England , whose qualification must be a Master or Past Master , and who may be appointed by the Grand Master to preside over any province vacant . —A PAST MASTEE .

A THEISTIC BEOTHEE . The strong opinion expressed hy a learned and popular writer upon Natural Theologv , by no means convinces me that " a Theistic brother" will do wrong if he acts in regard to Christianity as Socrates acted in regard to Paganism .

_ IIEACLP . S . Bro . " M . J . L , " the Christian Masons to whom you allude , put forward no reason for withholding belief in miracles , except lack of satisfactory evidence . — C . P . COOPEE .

BBO . HAYE AND BEO . HUGHAN ON EOYAL AUCH MASONEY . My friend Bro . A . 0 . Haye has favoured me with his opinion on that part of the " Analysis of Ancient and Modern Freemasonry " which refers to the Royal Arch , and has endeavoured to prove that a Master

Mason , under the Grand Lodges of England and Scotland , can le complete without taking the Royal Arch , as " that whicli was lost can only be found beyond the veil of time . " He also states that such is the opinion of every aged Mason with whom he has conversed . The latter statement , to my mind , is a most extraordinary one , because Bro . Haye ' s Masonic acquaintances are " very

numerous , and many are very well informed on Masonic history . If ' what was lost can only he found beyond the veil of time , how is it that in the lectures of the third degree , oefore tiie Soi / al Arch was instituted , it is expressly declared that " what was lost is now found'' '

, viz ., in the concluding part of the degree ? Also , how is it that most writers of note on this subject , both aged aud young , concur in stating that the word of the third degree was removed to the Royal Arch , aud that in consequence the Royal Arch is the complement of tbe third degree ? They also agree that the

2 *** w *** jg really found in the Royal Arch degree . But I cannot possibly dwell long on this subject , however interesting it may he , as my numerous en- , gage meats will not permit me to do , added to which , I have already written at leugth on the history of the Royal Archand quoted abundant evidence to prove

, my position . Of course I admit that to such Masons who are in possession of the original secrets of the third degree the Royal Arch is superfluous ; but in this county I have not met with one who is so situated without having taken the Royal Arch , although abroad we can meet with many . —W . J . HUGHAN .

P . S . —My articles are before the fraternity , and x am content to abide by their decision . OEDEE OP ST . JOHN OP JEEUSAIEJI . The following appeared in the Illustrated London News on 20 fch ult ., as well as in the Church News and other papers : can any brother inform me to

what Order it alludes , and whether it has any connection with the Order of St . John Kni g hts of Malta , of which Sir George Bowyer is a member , and which is , of course , Roman Catholic , or to the Order , which is conferred by the Grand Conclave of Masonic Knights Templars ?—* J < 30 ° . Perhaps Bro . Haye will enlighten us as to this Order : —

" OEDEE OP ST . JOHN OP JEEUSAIEST . —The Festival of St . John the Baptist will be celebrated as usual hy the knights' aud other members of the English branch of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem , on the 24 th inst . Previous to the Chapter General , there will be a short service , by permission of the Vicarin the Church of St . Martin's-in-the-Fields

, , where , at eleven o'clock , the Litany will be sung , and a sermon preached by the'Rev . Thomas Hugo , one of the Chaplains of the Order . After the service the Chapter General will be held at the Chancery , which is but a few steps distant from St . Martin ' s Church . [ This refers to the Langue of England of tbe

Order of St . John , and has nothing to do with Masonic Knights Templars and their Knights of Malta . After the capture of Malta , ancl the dispersion of the Order , the Langue of France did not take part iu the reconstitution in Russia under the Emperor Paul , which afterwards resolved itself into the Roman

organisation . After the Restoration the Langue of France was reconstituted , and on its demand that of England was restored . This is the bod y in question , and it consists of gentlemen having the statutory qualifications , and is presided over by the Duke of Manchester as Grand Prior ancl Turkopolier . At a later period the Pope named Sir George Bowyer Grand Prior of England , but he is not recognised by by the Langue of England , nor by the other inde

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ADDRESS TO OUR READERS. Article 6
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THE DERVISHES AND MASONRY. Article 12
ADDRESS. Article 13
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 14
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 19
HABITS DESIRABLE POR MASONS' SONS. Article 19
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 21
FREEMASONRY AND CHIVALRY. Article 22
MASONIC MUSIC. Article 23
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UNITED GRAND LODGE. Article 24
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MARK MASONRY. Article 28
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE AND K.H.S. Article 30
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A MASONIC COLLOQUY. Article 31
UNVEILING THE BUST OF EDMUND PLOWDEN. Article 31
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 31
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR. THE WEEK ENDING JULY 11TH , 1868. Article 31
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 31
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Habits Desirable Por Masons' Sons.

GOOD TEMPEAES . Having been called upon by Bro . Hughan to address the readers of the Freemasons' Magazine , and give my opinion , I think it right to say that a society like the Good Templars , that abstains from

intoxicating liquors , and wages Avar against drunkenness , is anti-Masonic . Such a society is not according to the landmarks , but the watermarks . If we drink water will the worth y and worshipful hosts let us meet in public houses , whicli is one of the ancient privileges of Freemasons ? Would not the miserable remnant be compelled to erect Masonic halls and buildings of their own ? " Give me again my public house—my glass of grog , and liberty . "— W . HABEIS .

GEAND LODGE OPPICEES . Will any of your readers be good enough to state their opinion , for the information of myself and others , on the following subject : "The precedence of Grand Lodge officers as laid down in the ' Book of Constitutions' page 17 small edition—should that

, , govern the precedence of officers of Provincial Grand Lodges . At' page 51 , par . 3 , it states that no brother can he appointed a Provincial Grand Warden unless he he the Master or Past Master of a lodge ; nor a Provincial Grand Deacon , unless he be a Warden or Past Warden of a lodge . ' ' ' Now , the Secretary ,

Treasurer , and Registrar may be appointed from Master Masons , I presume ; and as at page 45 , par . 2 , the Provincial Grand Master is empowered to appoint , for his province , a deputy , two Wardens , and two Deacons , and other officers , why should the Grand Registrar of a provincefor instanceand for whom

, , no previous qualification is stated , rank above a Grand Deacon , as the Registrar has not the duties to perform as the Grand Registrar of the Grand Lodge of England , whose qualification must be a Master or Past Master , and who may be appointed by the Grand Master to preside over any province vacant . —A PAST MASTEE .

A THEISTIC BEOTHEE . The strong opinion expressed hy a learned and popular writer upon Natural Theologv , by no means convinces me that " a Theistic brother" will do wrong if he acts in regard to Christianity as Socrates acted in regard to Paganism .

_ IIEACLP . S . Bro . " M . J . L , " the Christian Masons to whom you allude , put forward no reason for withholding belief in miracles , except lack of satisfactory evidence . — C . P . COOPEE .

BBO . HAYE AND BEO . HUGHAN ON EOYAL AUCH MASONEY . My friend Bro . A . 0 . Haye has favoured me with his opinion on that part of the " Analysis of Ancient and Modern Freemasonry " which refers to the Royal Arch , and has endeavoured to prove that a Master

Mason , under the Grand Lodges of England and Scotland , can le complete without taking the Royal Arch , as " that whicli was lost can only be found beyond the veil of time . " He also states that such is the opinion of every aged Mason with whom he has conversed . The latter statement , to my mind , is a most extraordinary one , because Bro . Haye ' s Masonic acquaintances are " very

numerous , and many are very well informed on Masonic history . If ' what was lost can only he found beyond the veil of time , how is it that in the lectures of the third degree , oefore tiie Soi / al Arch was instituted , it is expressly declared that " what was lost is now found'' '

, viz ., in the concluding part of the degree ? Also , how is it that most writers of note on this subject , both aged aud young , concur in stating that the word of the third degree was removed to the Royal Arch , aud that in consequence the Royal Arch is the complement of tbe third degree ? They also agree that the

2 *** w *** jg really found in the Royal Arch degree . But I cannot possibly dwell long on this subject , however interesting it may he , as my numerous en- , gage meats will not permit me to do , added to which , I have already written at leugth on the history of the Royal Archand quoted abundant evidence to prove

, my position . Of course I admit that to such Masons who are in possession of the original secrets of the third degree the Royal Arch is superfluous ; but in this county I have not met with one who is so situated without having taken the Royal Arch , although abroad we can meet with many . —W . J . HUGHAN .

P . S . —My articles are before the fraternity , and x am content to abide by their decision . OEDEE OP ST . JOHN OP JEEUSAIEJI . The following appeared in the Illustrated London News on 20 fch ult ., as well as in the Church News and other papers : can any brother inform me to

what Order it alludes , and whether it has any connection with the Order of St . John Kni g hts of Malta , of which Sir George Bowyer is a member , and which is , of course , Roman Catholic , or to the Order , which is conferred by the Grand Conclave of Masonic Knights Templars ?—* J < 30 ° . Perhaps Bro . Haye will enlighten us as to this Order : —

" OEDEE OP ST . JOHN OP JEEUSAIEST . —The Festival of St . John the Baptist will be celebrated as usual hy the knights' aud other members of the English branch of the Order of St . John of Jerusalem , on the 24 th inst . Previous to the Chapter General , there will be a short service , by permission of the Vicarin the Church of St . Martin's-in-the-Fields

, , where , at eleven o'clock , the Litany will be sung , and a sermon preached by the'Rev . Thomas Hugo , one of the Chaplains of the Order . After the service the Chapter General will be held at the Chancery , which is but a few steps distant from St . Martin ' s Church . [ This refers to the Langue of England of tbe

Order of St . John , and has nothing to do with Masonic Knights Templars and their Knights of Malta . After the capture of Malta , ancl the dispersion of the Order , the Langue of France did not take part iu the reconstitution in Russia under the Emperor Paul , which afterwards resolved itself into the Roman

organisation . After the Restoration the Langue of France was reconstituted , and on its demand that of England was restored . This is the bod y in question , and it consists of gentlemen having the statutory qualifications , and is presided over by the Duke of Manchester as Grand Prior ancl Turkopolier . At a later period the Pope named Sir George Bowyer Grand Prior of England , but he is not recognised by by the Langue of England , nor by the other inde

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