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took place , and the new office-bearers took " the oaths as use is . " " After the election was over many visiting Brethren were present and the evening was spent in great harmony . " " John Gibson , Secv . " " Wm , Ingram , E . W . "

At page 49 it savs , — " At a meeting of St . Mungo ' s Lodge Boom , the 28 th Movember A . M . 5771 . " Page 55 . "At Glasgow , the 21 st of December , 1773 , Captains Wm . Giles , George McKenzie , Eobert Longfield , Lewis Manny , and Doctor John Denholm , all of his Majestie ' s 19 th Eegiment of Boot , were admitted members of this Lodge and took their oaths de fideli as use is . " Then follow 20 signatures , leadins- off with those of the new members .

_ Page 56 . "At Glasgow , 27 th December , 1753 , St . John ' s Day . The Office Bearers with a very respectable number of brethren dined at the exchange coffee house and after dinner walked in Procession from thence to their Hall preceded by a Band of Music . Deputations were received from and returned to all the Lodges except twovizt . the Kilwinning , *

for-, , getting our title as the most ancient omitted sending one to us for which reason we sent them none and the Thistle and Bose f having sent a very impertinent card demanding the date of our charter no answer was sent them . The evening was spent in the greatest harmony .

" John Gibson , Sec . " Wm . Ingram , E . W . " Page 57 . " At Glasgow the 13 th January ( . 1774 ) being St . Mungo ' s day our Tutelary saint the Office-Bearers and many of the members attended with several other visiting Brethren when a petition was presented from Brother John Kinnibroch who has

been a member of this Lodge for Bifty years and upwards J petitioning for charity when the brethren present voted him on account of his ancient and helpless situation the sum of one pound sterling and he is hereby desired to call to-morrow on David Elliot Esqre . for the same . "

On Mov . 13 th , 1783 , two Brethren entered as apprentices , and on Mov . 23 rd , 1783 , the two late apprentices with one other member are " passed and raised master masons . " —W . P . BucnAB " .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

CAVEAC IODGE . A valuable document from p . 490 of the Freemasons' Magazine , called " Ancient Lodges , " explains an unanswered query as to the origin of the name of the Caveae Lodge , which does not happen to be known to its members , and as to which a note was

put in Notes and Queries . In the list in question , No . 86 , it appears that the lodge met at the CAVEAO Tavern , Bineh-lane . This was most likely a tavern kept by a Brenchman from the south of Brance . — As S " OTATOE . THE MASONIC AUD CHEISTIAN EEAS .

A writer of the last century says : — " The Masonic and Christian eras do not coincide . The Tear of Light dates with them from the first days of the Creation . " Can any learned brother say why the Masonic computation was used , and when it was first adopted ? Perhaps Bro . Buehan will kindly oblige .

Can any brother say when the stars and other symbols borrowed from the firmament were first incorporated with the Masonic system ? Is it natural to suppose this would he done by operative Masons . —NEKUM .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents

WHAT SHALL BE DONE WITH THE EE 1 DISCOVERED MYSTERIES ?

TO THE EDITOR OP THE 3 ? EEElTASO > "S JIAGAZIITE AXD XASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —The re-discovered mysteries have been objected to because they were not within the " ordinary" scope of Breemasonry ; and Bro . Godfrey , in his letter ( vide Magazine , p . 290 ) , so clearly states what the term " ordinary" means , Masonicallythat there can be no longer any

mis-, conception in the matter ; while the Grand Master , at the recent banquet given on the occasion of his 20 th installation , as clearly states , " that his earnest desire has been to make Breemasonry what it is and what it professes to be—a cliaritcible society . " The question here arises , how far would the

reassumption by Breemasonry of its ancient mysteries , so long lost and so recently re-discovered , interfere with its present " ordinary and charitable character ?"

In the first place , the knowledge of the mysteries would inevitably tend to render brethren , not only more forbearing and more charitable one towards another , but more forgiving , more kindly disposed towards their neighbours without the pale of Breemasonry , for it was in that sense that Jesus asked the lawye " " Which of these three—the Priestthe

, , Levite , the Samaritan—thinkest thou was nei ghbour unto him that fell among thieves ! " And he answered , " The Samaritan that showed mercy . " Then said Jesus , " Go thou and do likewise . ' ' In the next place , the profession of the mysteries would be taught in the Temple in lieu of the "

ordinary " practices now in vogue among the Order ; the Empiric would yield to the learned Bhysicianthe initiated Brofessor whose teaching would not , as at present , be confined to simply rehearsing Texts of

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Masonic Notes And Queries.

took place , and the new office-bearers took " the oaths as use is . " " After the election was over many visiting Brethren were present and the evening was spent in great harmony . " " John Gibson , Secv . " " Wm , Ingram , E . W . "

At page 49 it savs , — " At a meeting of St . Mungo ' s Lodge Boom , the 28 th Movember A . M . 5771 . " Page 55 . "At Glasgow , the 21 st of December , 1773 , Captains Wm . Giles , George McKenzie , Eobert Longfield , Lewis Manny , and Doctor John Denholm , all of his Majestie ' s 19 th Eegiment of Boot , were admitted members of this Lodge and took their oaths de fideli as use is . " Then follow 20 signatures , leadins- off with those of the new members .

_ Page 56 . "At Glasgow , 27 th December , 1753 , St . John ' s Day . The Office Bearers with a very respectable number of brethren dined at the exchange coffee house and after dinner walked in Procession from thence to their Hall preceded by a Band of Music . Deputations were received from and returned to all the Lodges except twovizt . the Kilwinning , *

for-, , getting our title as the most ancient omitted sending one to us for which reason we sent them none and the Thistle and Bose f having sent a very impertinent card demanding the date of our charter no answer was sent them . The evening was spent in the greatest harmony .

" John Gibson , Sec . " Wm . Ingram , E . W . " Page 57 . " At Glasgow the 13 th January ( . 1774 ) being St . Mungo ' s day our Tutelary saint the Office-Bearers and many of the members attended with several other visiting Brethren when a petition was presented from Brother John Kinnibroch who has

been a member of this Lodge for Bifty years and upwards J petitioning for charity when the brethren present voted him on account of his ancient and helpless situation the sum of one pound sterling and he is hereby desired to call to-morrow on David Elliot Esqre . for the same . "

On Mov . 13 th , 1783 , two Brethren entered as apprentices , and on Mov . 23 rd , 1783 , the two late apprentices with one other member are " passed and raised master masons . " —W . P . BucnAB " .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

CAVEAC IODGE . A valuable document from p . 490 of the Freemasons' Magazine , called " Ancient Lodges , " explains an unanswered query as to the origin of the name of the Caveae Lodge , which does not happen to be known to its members , and as to which a note was

put in Notes and Queries . In the list in question , No . 86 , it appears that the lodge met at the CAVEAO Tavern , Bineh-lane . This was most likely a tavern kept by a Brenchman from the south of Brance . — As S " OTATOE . THE MASONIC AUD CHEISTIAN EEAS .

A writer of the last century says : — " The Masonic and Christian eras do not coincide . The Tear of Light dates with them from the first days of the Creation . " Can any learned brother say why the Masonic computation was used , and when it was first adopted ? Perhaps Bro . Buehan will kindly oblige .

Can any brother say when the stars and other symbols borrowed from the firmament were first incorporated with the Masonic system ? Is it natural to suppose this would he done by operative Masons . —NEKUM .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents

WHAT SHALL BE DONE WITH THE EE 1 DISCOVERED MYSTERIES ?

TO THE EDITOR OP THE 3 ? EEElTASO > "S JIAGAZIITE AXD XASONIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —The re-discovered mysteries have been objected to because they were not within the " ordinary" scope of Breemasonry ; and Bro . Godfrey , in his letter ( vide Magazine , p . 290 ) , so clearly states what the term " ordinary" means , Masonicallythat there can be no longer any

mis-, conception in the matter ; while the Grand Master , at the recent banquet given on the occasion of his 20 th installation , as clearly states , " that his earnest desire has been to make Breemasonry what it is and what it professes to be—a cliaritcible society . " The question here arises , how far would the

reassumption by Breemasonry of its ancient mysteries , so long lost and so recently re-discovered , interfere with its present " ordinary and charitable character ?"

In the first place , the knowledge of the mysteries would inevitably tend to render brethren , not only more forbearing and more charitable one towards another , but more forgiving , more kindly disposed towards their neighbours without the pale of Breemasonry , for it was in that sense that Jesus asked the lawye " " Which of these three—the Priestthe

, , Levite , the Samaritan—thinkest thou was nei ghbour unto him that fell among thieves ! " And he answered , " The Samaritan that showed mercy . " Then said Jesus , " Go thou and do likewise . ' ' In the next place , the profession of the mysteries would be taught in the Temple in lieu of the "

ordinary " practices now in vogue among the Order ; the Empiric would yield to the learned Bhysicianthe initiated Brofessor whose teaching would not , as at present , be confined to simply rehearsing Texts of

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