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How I Spent My Five Weeks' Leave.

very summit . We ride to it across the plain , and clamber up by a rough , steep , zigzag path , getting fine views as we mount . The hill itself is very pretty , old ruins , caverns , etc ., being smothered by wild thickets of holm oak , which are covered

with honeysuckle and half buried by the gigantic thistles which grow hereabouts ten or twelve feet hi gh . Mountain Cistus , and other wild flowers , dot the ground wherever there is an open space . ( To le continued . ' )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

GLASGOW CATHEDEAI . Bro . Buchan ' s reasons for the date of 1556 not being correct and genuine amount really to nothing . 1 . There is no reason whatever why the operative Masonic guild of that date should not have carved that date . There are much older dates relative to

'buildings than 1556 . 2- Bro . Buchan gives no reason at all why it is more likely to be no older than the first half of the 18 th century . " If the date be correct , Bro . Buehan . s theory is hopelessly destroyed . 3 . The fact of other names and initials , clearly modern , also existing , is in itself a strong proof of the

older date . Surely there must be some competent person in Glasgow who can tell us what is , arehajologically , the date of tbe figures as then used . Any clumsy imitation , two centuries later , of figures said to be cut in 1556 can at once be seen by a skilled and practised eye . —A MASOKIC STUDENT .

BBO . Hl'DE CliAEK . A " Correspondent" is mistaken . Tbe first five lines of Bro . Hyde Clark ' s communication , " Origin of Freemasonry , " Freemason ' s Magazine , Feb . 25 th , 1865 , are as follows : — " The origin of the modern form of Freemasonry cannot be attributed to Bro .

Christopher Wren , because the evidence of tbe present century shows that it had already taken the organi sation of a craft of Masons , and that the assemblies were held at Masons' Hall , in the City of London . '' —CHAELES PUETOK COOPEE .

THE TEHPIAES AX 13 FEEEMASOlfET . I am obliged to " Lupus" for his friendly remarks . I bad seen the form of secret reception to which he alludes some little time back , but was not and am not satisfied at all as to its genuineness or authenticity . With regard to the Monastic questionI would just

_ , say this—there is actual evidence to prove that an operative lodgeof Freemasons was attaehedto more than one of our great monastic bodies , as at Canterbury and York we have reason to believe that it was generally so . The writer of the Masonic poem is a monk , and alludes to other ceremonies he has witnessed and

other MSS . he has seeu . Bro . Findel in his history of our Order alludes to a ritual under " benediction " sanction . If "Lupus" will carefully look back to " Notes and Queries , " he will find Mr . Winthrop ' s words exactly as I gave them . I have mislaid my

own reference , but I alluded to them at the time in the " Magazinp . " I agree with " Lupus" that , so far , we have no evidence of any secret ritual among the Knights of St . John , whereas as regards tbe Templars , in Bymer ' s "Fffidera . '' among the depositions occurs one in respect of a Yorkshire preceptory , in which it

is distinctly said that the reception took place by night , aud was in secret , none but Knights being able to be present or witness tbe ceremonies . It is some time ago since I looked into Kymer , but if "Lupus " will do so he will find many curious details . —A MASONIC STUDEXT .

THE MASON ' S WOED . We have heard a great deal of " the Mason's word . " Now , in our Freemasonry of to-day , elaborated since 1717 , we have many words ; ergo , the question rises , is "tbe Mason ' s word" used by the 17 th century Masons included among our present words , and if so , what is it ? For my part I cannot assert that I know it . —W . P . B .

BITES OE EREEJIASOXET . I have perused the excellent sketch of the " Bites of Freemasonry , by Bro . LI . W . L ., with much pleasure . The writer ' s remarks concerning " Pure Antient Freemasonry" are to the point , and certainly express the views of many Craft Masons who , like

myself , revere the ancient system of Three Degrees . I write now , however , to suggest that " A . D . 1770 " ia much too late a period to set down as the origin of the Eoyal Arcb . Bro . Dr . Bell , an authority well known to Bro . W , in bis admirable " chart ' 'places tbe date at some thirty years earlier ; and I have a

copy of a Masonic work by Dr . Dassigny , dated 1774 , which refers to the Eoyal Avch . I have also , in the "History of the Lodges at Banff , '' Scotland , quoted records still existing , some years before 1770 , which speak of the degree being worked A . D . 176-1 . Besides which , a mass of evidence is presented in Bro . Dr .

Oliver ' s " History of the Eoyal Arch , " published by Bro . Spencer , London , which , to my mind , settles the question , aud connects the origin of the degree with the secession of A . D . 1739 . Bro . W says the Ancient and Accepted Eite was established 1700 . I know of no authority for this statement . —W . T . HUGHAN .

TOLERATION . Toleration iu religion is dear to all true Freemasons . Upon this point , the perusal of a small work , " The Church under the Tudors , " by Durham Dunlop , Esq ., M . E . I . A ., published by Messrs . Moffat and Co ., 34 , Southampton-street , Strand , Loudon , W . C , is highly worthy of perusal . — PICTTJS .

THE TEltPLAES AKD EEEEMASOXET ( page 506 ) . I know of no reason for supposing that there existed any nearer relationship between the 12 th , 13 th , and 14 th century Templars and the Masons or Freemasons than what existed between the said Templars and the members or freemen of carpenters ' smiths ' glaziers '

, , or painters ' , & c , societies or trades . A Knight Temp lar—when Knights Templar were in existence—was just as likely to join some other co-existent craft as tbe Masous ; but as there were no Kni ghts Templar in existence in the 17 th century , and the Masonic degree of Knight Templar was not fabricated until

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Untitled Article 1
Untitled Article 2
ADDRESS TO OUR READERS. Article 3
INDEX. Article 5
Untitled Article 9
THE MARK DEGREE. Article 9
SOCIAL INFLUENCE OF MASONRY. Article 9
THE HAUGHFOOT LODGE AND SPECULATIVE MASONRY. Article 11
HOW I SPENT MY FIVE WEEKS' LEAVE. Article 12
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 15
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH MASONRY. Article 16
BRO. ELIAS ASHMOLE. Article 17
Untitled Article 18
MASONIC MEMS. Article 18
Craft Masonry. ENGLISH CONSTITUTION Article 18
PROVINCIAL. Article 18
Untitled Article 20
SCOTTISH CONSTITUTION. Article 21
ROYAL ARCH. Article 22
MARK MASONRY. Article 22
THEATRICAL AND MUSICAL NOTES. Article 23
PRESENTATION TO BRO . W. H. CROOKE, PROV. G. S. DURHAM, SUNDERLAND. Article 26
Poetry. Article 27
SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS FOR THE WEEK. Article 27
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 8TH JANUARY, 1870. Article 27
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 28
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How I Spent My Five Weeks' Leave.

very summit . We ride to it across the plain , and clamber up by a rough , steep , zigzag path , getting fine views as we mount . The hill itself is very pretty , old ruins , caverns , etc ., being smothered by wild thickets of holm oak , which are covered

with honeysuckle and half buried by the gigantic thistles which grow hereabouts ten or twelve feet hi gh . Mountain Cistus , and other wild flowers , dot the ground wherever there is an open space . ( To le continued . ' )

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

GLASGOW CATHEDEAI . Bro . Buchan ' s reasons for the date of 1556 not being correct and genuine amount really to nothing . 1 . There is no reason whatever why the operative Masonic guild of that date should not have carved that date . There are much older dates relative to

'buildings than 1556 . 2- Bro . Buchan gives no reason at all why it is more likely to be no older than the first half of the 18 th century . " If the date be correct , Bro . Buehan . s theory is hopelessly destroyed . 3 . The fact of other names and initials , clearly modern , also existing , is in itself a strong proof of the

older date . Surely there must be some competent person in Glasgow who can tell us what is , arehajologically , the date of tbe figures as then used . Any clumsy imitation , two centuries later , of figures said to be cut in 1556 can at once be seen by a skilled and practised eye . —A MASOKIC STUDENT .

BBO . Hl'DE CliAEK . A " Correspondent" is mistaken . Tbe first five lines of Bro . Hyde Clark ' s communication , " Origin of Freemasonry , " Freemason ' s Magazine , Feb . 25 th , 1865 , are as follows : — " The origin of the modern form of Freemasonry cannot be attributed to Bro .

Christopher Wren , because the evidence of tbe present century shows that it had already taken the organi sation of a craft of Masons , and that the assemblies were held at Masons' Hall , in the City of London . '' —CHAELES PUETOK COOPEE .

THE TEHPIAES AX 13 FEEEMASOlfET . I am obliged to " Lupus" for his friendly remarks . I bad seen the form of secret reception to which he alludes some little time back , but was not and am not satisfied at all as to its genuineness or authenticity . With regard to the Monastic questionI would just

_ , say this—there is actual evidence to prove that an operative lodgeof Freemasons was attaehedto more than one of our great monastic bodies , as at Canterbury and York we have reason to believe that it was generally so . The writer of the Masonic poem is a monk , and alludes to other ceremonies he has witnessed and

other MSS . he has seeu . Bro . Findel in his history of our Order alludes to a ritual under " benediction " sanction . If "Lupus" will carefully look back to " Notes and Queries , " he will find Mr . Winthrop ' s words exactly as I gave them . I have mislaid my

own reference , but I alluded to them at the time in the " Magazinp . " I agree with " Lupus" that , so far , we have no evidence of any secret ritual among the Knights of St . John , whereas as regards tbe Templars , in Bymer ' s "Fffidera . '' among the depositions occurs one in respect of a Yorkshire preceptory , in which it

is distinctly said that the reception took place by night , aud was in secret , none but Knights being able to be present or witness tbe ceremonies . It is some time ago since I looked into Kymer , but if "Lupus " will do so he will find many curious details . —A MASONIC STUDEXT .

THE MASON ' S WOED . We have heard a great deal of " the Mason's word . " Now , in our Freemasonry of to-day , elaborated since 1717 , we have many words ; ergo , the question rises , is "tbe Mason ' s word" used by the 17 th century Masons included among our present words , and if so , what is it ? For my part I cannot assert that I know it . —W . P . B .

BITES OE EREEJIASOXET . I have perused the excellent sketch of the " Bites of Freemasonry , by Bro . LI . W . L ., with much pleasure . The writer ' s remarks concerning " Pure Antient Freemasonry" are to the point , and certainly express the views of many Craft Masons who , like

myself , revere the ancient system of Three Degrees . I write now , however , to suggest that " A . D . 1770 " ia much too late a period to set down as the origin of the Eoyal Arcb . Bro . Dr . Bell , an authority well known to Bro . W , in bis admirable " chart ' 'places tbe date at some thirty years earlier ; and I have a

copy of a Masonic work by Dr . Dassigny , dated 1774 , which refers to the Eoyal Avch . I have also , in the "History of the Lodges at Banff , '' Scotland , quoted records still existing , some years before 1770 , which speak of the degree being worked A . D . 176-1 . Besides which , a mass of evidence is presented in Bro . Dr .

Oliver ' s " History of the Eoyal Arch , " published by Bro . Spencer , London , which , to my mind , settles the question , aud connects the origin of the degree with the secession of A . D . 1739 . Bro . W says the Ancient and Accepted Eite was established 1700 . I know of no authority for this statement . —W . T . HUGHAN .

TOLERATION . Toleration iu religion is dear to all true Freemasons . Upon this point , the perusal of a small work , " The Church under the Tudors , " by Durham Dunlop , Esq ., M . E . I . A ., published by Messrs . Moffat and Co ., 34 , Southampton-street , Strand , Loudon , W . C , is highly worthy of perusal . — PICTTJS .

THE TEltPLAES AKD EEEEMASOXET ( page 506 ) . I know of no reason for supposing that there existed any nearer relationship between the 12 th , 13 th , and 14 th century Templars and the Masons or Freemasons than what existed between the said Templars and the members or freemen of carpenters ' smiths ' glaziers '

, , or painters ' , & c , societies or trades . A Knight Temp lar—when Knights Templar were in existence—was just as likely to join some other co-existent craft as tbe Masous ; but as there were no Kni ghts Templar in existence in the 17 th century , and the Masonic degree of Knight Templar was not fabricated until

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