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respectability . . -of the Grand Lodge of Canada . He hoped that Grand Lodge would consider the point , and let it stand over for further consideration . Let them not be guilty of an act of injustice to those who owed allegiance to them . The laws of the new Grand Lodge of Canada provided that those who did not unite with that Grand Lodge should have no right to enter it at all . He would like the Grand Lodge of Canada recognized as it should be . They would be proceeding too rapidly if they did it that night . He would rather postpone it till the next Grand Lodge . Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon : — " Like the Worshipful Brother who just sat down , I intended to have made one or two remarks . Like him , your lordship ' s observations have come upon me with surprise . Like him I can say , that while hearing with perhaps as great satisfaction as any other member of Grand Lodge the announcement * which your lordship has just made—while concurring in it as heartily as any one in the room can concur in it , because it has been the course which I have all along thought desirable and right , and which I have proposed to Grand Lodge , sorn . etim . es perhaps with too much pertinacity- — -at the same time

I agree with the worthy Brother who has just sat down , and would respectfully request your lordship to reconsider the motion , ^ with , the vie w : of bringing it forward at the next quarterly communication . Nobody ' more thoroughly heartily agrees with the substance of that motion than I do ; but , for that very reason , I would invest the announcement with all the deliberation and all the solemnity which it can possibly have , and therefore I would earnestly press on your lordship the importance of giving formal notice of it now , and bringing it forward at the next quarterly communication , that it may be carried , as it * deserves to be , with complete and entire unanimity . There is one single remark more

which I would make , and that is , that 1 trust that the announcement which you have just made may be in many respects the close of these . differences which have embittered the discussions of the last year and a hal £ I trust that whatever may have been the causes which have led to the separation of the Canadian Lodges , and no one regrets them more than I do—no one has spoken more freely concerning them than I have—still , whatever these causes may have been , I trust that though we may henceforth be separate as bodies , we may , in heart , be one—having the . same common object—that we may still be united by ties as strong , and as enduring as those bonds which unite us socially and politically with the Canadian

dependencies of the British crown . " Bro . Havers , P . S . G . D .: — "I feel , as every one who is placed in my position must feel , a certain degree of difficulty . We have here a proposition to recognize the Grand Lodge of Canada , couched in Masonic terms ; and yet , from the lips of him who has been the chief , the most eloquent advocate of the claims of Canada , we have an opposition to that motion . Most Worshipful sir , it has been within the knowledge of all the Masons of this country , or at least within the knowledge of all those who take an interest in its progress , that so far back as July last we were aware of the

existence of this Grand Lodge , although it was not till yesterday that our Grand Secretary received an official intimation of the fact . Shall we ignore all that we have known of their doings ? Shall we take no notice of all that has been placed before us in print , aud in communications published by ourselves , with respect to the cordial and fraternal spirit which governed these two Grand Lodges in their union , and in the expression of tlieir' feelings to us . ^ I have never denied the shortcomings of the Grand Lodge of England towards the Canadian Brethren . Without going a step further than what the Grand Master proposes , by recognizing the Grand Lodge of Canada ,, . reserving unto himself tho mode in which that recognition shall" be made , —you will do an act worthy of the Grand Lodge of England ,

ancj . grateful to the feelings of your Canadian Brethren—an act which will serve tocement at once and for ever that cordiality which happily now exists . You do not bind yourselves as to any specific act further than that which justice demands at your hands-, and you reserves to yourselves the distinct jurisdiction over Quebec ,

Montreal , and St . John ' s , New Brunswick , giving the Grand Lodge oi Canada , numbering a hundred Lodges , full jurisdiction over Canada West , but at the aamo time reserving mont carefully and moot ; explicitly—as we are bound as honest men to do—tho protection of the Grand Lodge of England for those Lodges which have

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THE ROYAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION. Article 1
THE EMULATION LODGE OF IMPROVEMENT. Article 2
OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHAPTER. Article 3
MASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 9
THE CHURCHES OF WORCESTER Article 11
DR. MARK AND HIS LITTLE MEN. Article 14
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 16
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 22
INSTRUCTION. Article 26
PROVINCIAL Article 33
MARK MASONRY Article 39
ROYAL ARCH. Article 40
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR Article 41
COLONIAL Article 42
THE WEEK. Article 43
Obituary. Article 47
NOTICES Article 48
GRAND LODGE AND THE "OBSERVER PARTY." Article 49
OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHAPTER. Article 53
AN OLD MASON'S ADVICE TO HIS NEPHEW Article 57
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 60
CORRESPONDENCE Article 63
THE MASONIC MIRROR Article 73
METROPOLITAN Article 85
PROVINCIAL Article 86
MARK MASONRY. Article 89
ROYAL ARCH Article 90
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR Article 90
SCOTLAND Article 91
THE WEEK Article 92
NOTICES. Article 96
OUR ARCHITECTUARAL CHAPTER. Article 97
THE CHEMISTRY OF COMMON THINGS. Article 102
ANGLO-SAXON HISTORY ILLUSTRATED BY TOPOGRAPHICAL NOMENCLATURE. Article 109
THE HEROES OF LUCKNOW. Article 111
THE NATURE AND OBJECTS OF FREEMASONRY. Article 113
ADOPTION OF MASON'S SON. Article 117
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS Article 118
Selections Article 122
CORRESPONDENCE Article 124
THE MASONIC MIRROR Article 128
PROVINCIAL Article 133
ROYAL ARCH Article 137
INDIA Article 138
COLONIAL Article 138
THE WEEK Article 139
NOTICES. Article 144
A FEW WORDS TO THE CRAFT. Article 145
OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHAPTER. Article 148
THE TEACHINGS OP FREEMASONRY. Article 151
AN OLD MASON'S ADVICE TO HIS NEPHEW. Article 154
BRO. THE EARL OF CARNARVON AND BRO. HAVERS. Article 159
FREEMASONS' HALL. Article 161
"HIS LEAF ALSO SHALL NOT WITHERS." Article 165
Selections Article 166
CORRESPONDENCE Article 168
THE MASONIC MIRROR Article 170
METROPOLITAN Article 171
PROVINCIAL Article 175
MARK MASONRY Article 181
ROYAL ARCH. Article 182
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 182
SCOTLAND Article 183
AMERICA Article 184
THE WEEK Article 187
NOTICES. Article 192
THE CLOSE OF THE YEAR. Article 193
OUR ARCHITECTURAL CHAPTER. Article 194
THE CHEMISTRY OF COMMON THINGS. Article 198
REVIEWS OF NEW MUSIC. Article 203
Selections Article 204
OVER THE DOOR OF THE OF THE APOLLO TAVERN. Article 205
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 206
THE MASONIC MIRROR Article 209
PROVINCIAL. Article 212
MARK MASONRY Article 217
SCOTLAND Article 217
COLONIAL Article 220
THE WEEK Article 221
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Tie Ii So Nic Mill Or

respectability . . -of the Grand Lodge of Canada . He hoped that Grand Lodge would consider the point , and let it stand over for further consideration . Let them not be guilty of an act of injustice to those who owed allegiance to them . The laws of the new Grand Lodge of Canada provided that those who did not unite with that Grand Lodge should have no right to enter it at all . He would like the Grand Lodge of Canada recognized as it should be . They would be proceeding too rapidly if they did it that night . He would rather postpone it till the next Grand Lodge . Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon : — " Like the Worshipful Brother who just sat down , I intended to have made one or two remarks . Like him , your lordship ' s observations have come upon me with surprise . Like him I can say , that while hearing with perhaps as great satisfaction as any other member of Grand Lodge the announcement * which your lordship has just made—while concurring in it as heartily as any one in the room can concur in it , because it has been the course which I have all along thought desirable and right , and which I have proposed to Grand Lodge , sorn . etim . es perhaps with too much pertinacity- — -at the same time

I agree with the worthy Brother who has just sat down , and would respectfully request your lordship to reconsider the motion , ^ with , the vie w : of bringing it forward at the next quarterly communication . Nobody ' more thoroughly heartily agrees with the substance of that motion than I do ; but , for that very reason , I would invest the announcement with all the deliberation and all the solemnity which it can possibly have , and therefore I would earnestly press on your lordship the importance of giving formal notice of it now , and bringing it forward at the next quarterly communication , that it may be carried , as it * deserves to be , with complete and entire unanimity . There is one single remark more

which I would make , and that is , that 1 trust that the announcement which you have just made may be in many respects the close of these . differences which have embittered the discussions of the last year and a hal £ I trust that whatever may have been the causes which have led to the separation of the Canadian Lodges , and no one regrets them more than I do—no one has spoken more freely concerning them than I have—still , whatever these causes may have been , I trust that though we may henceforth be separate as bodies , we may , in heart , be one—having the . same common object—that we may still be united by ties as strong , and as enduring as those bonds which unite us socially and politically with the Canadian

dependencies of the British crown . " Bro . Havers , P . S . G . D .: — "I feel , as every one who is placed in my position must feel , a certain degree of difficulty . We have here a proposition to recognize the Grand Lodge of Canada , couched in Masonic terms ; and yet , from the lips of him who has been the chief , the most eloquent advocate of the claims of Canada , we have an opposition to that motion . Most Worshipful sir , it has been within the knowledge of all the Masons of this country , or at least within the knowledge of all those who take an interest in its progress , that so far back as July last we were aware of the

existence of this Grand Lodge , although it was not till yesterday that our Grand Secretary received an official intimation of the fact . Shall we ignore all that we have known of their doings ? Shall we take no notice of all that has been placed before us in print , aud in communications published by ourselves , with respect to the cordial and fraternal spirit which governed these two Grand Lodges in their union , and in the expression of tlieir' feelings to us . ^ I have never denied the shortcomings of the Grand Lodge of England towards the Canadian Brethren . Without going a step further than what the Grand Master proposes , by recognizing the Grand Lodge of Canada ,, . reserving unto himself tho mode in which that recognition shall" be made , —you will do an act worthy of the Grand Lodge of England ,

ancj . grateful to the feelings of your Canadian Brethren—an act which will serve tocement at once and for ever that cordiality which happily now exists . You do not bind yourselves as to any specific act further than that which justice demands at your hands-, and you reserves to yourselves the distinct jurisdiction over Quebec ,

Montreal , and St . John ' s , New Brunswick , giving the Grand Lodge oi Canada , numbering a hundred Lodges , full jurisdiction over Canada West , but at the aamo time reserving mont carefully and moot ; explicitly—as we are bound as honest men to do—tho protection of the Grand Lodge of England for those Lodges which have

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