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The Masonic Mirror.

not had sufficient notice it is their own fault , in not being here on the last occasion . If there are only to be four Quarterly Communications , some of the Brethren will come here to speak against time , and others throw over all measures which are objectionable to them . I have no hesitation in saying that some of us feel that we are thus thrown over by long speeches and letters which are read . ( Hear , hear . ) There are some of us who have had motions

on the paper three , six , nine , and even twelve months , dropping from time to time , and never coming on for discussion . I hold , M . W . Sir , that wherever there is a power of discussion , there is a power of adjournment . ( Hear , hear . ) We have not presumed to think of bringing forward new business . We are only meeting to do the business left undone at the last Grand Lodge . As for the argument of going on till twelve or one o ' clock , it is not likely that we will consent to sit to that hour , and then be told that all business distasteful to the Grand Officers must be thrown over . ¦* It was because no new business

could come on after eleven o ' clock , that we adjourned Grand Lodge at half-past ten —( hear , hear )—so that the motions of the independent Brethren should not be entirely shelved . ( Hear , hear . ) We adjourned in order to go regularly through the business upon the programme . I think it would be a stultification of our own acts not to go on with the business with such a full Grand Lodge as we see now before us . " ( Hear , hear . )

The Eev . Bro . Portal : " This question is a matter of order . It is not advisable to enter into the merits of the case as the Brother who has just sat down has done . There is no mention of an adjournment in the Book of Constitutions . We admit that . The Grand Master has the power to call a special Grand Lodge for a special reason , to be stated in the summons . We admit that . But all this has nothing to do with the question of adjournment . The Book of Constitutions being silent , I take it the Grand Lodge has power to adjourn if necessary . ( Hear , hear . ) There is a rule to take no fresh business after eleven

o ' clock , and the B . W . Brother on your left held that it was impossible for us to adjourn for the purpose of taking that business on some future occasion . That is a conclusion which I deny . I hold that Grand Lodge has the power to adjourn , and that power will not be abused , because unless great interest is felt in a question you will not get Grand Lodge to agree to an adjournment , but the business will be allowed to stand over to the next regular Grand Lodge . The M . W . Grand Master , on the last occasion , declared Grand Lodge adjourned ; the M . W . Grand Master , on the present occasion , declared the Grand Lodge to

be opened in due form ; I therefore now move that the business be proceeded with . " ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Havers said , hehadtaken a deep interest in the proceedings of GrandLodge , and he claimed to have as deep an interest in putting these little shortcomings to rights as anybody . He knew that Grand Lodge would give him credit for being

perfectly independent . He was eager to set those matters right , but be would not do a greater wrong ( i . e . by adjourning Grand Lodge ) , in order to accomplish that object . ( Oh !) He would assure the Brethren that whatever fell from any of them he would listen to with the greatest care ; and it would not be right to stop him by cries of cc Oh , oh ! " He had known Grand Lodge from the period of the union up to that moment ; but he had never known an adjourned Grand Lodge . He would refer them to the Book of Constitutions , page 21 , section x ., which was

as follows : — " The Grand Master , in his absence the pro Grand Master , in his absence the Deputy Grand Master , or in his absence the Grand Wardens , may summon and hold Grand Lodges of Emergency whenever the good of the Craft shall , in their opinion , require it ; the particular reason for convening such Lodge of Emergency shall be expressed in the summons , and no other business shall be entered upon at that meeting . "

He was as anxious as any of them could be to go into those matters , and it was important professional business in Germany which prevented his being present upon the previous occasion , and he could only regret that some one of the numerous Brethren who were present on that previous occasion , and who must have known the

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MASONIC PHILOSOPHY. Article 1
« THINGS NOT GENERALLY KNOWN."* Article 6
LINES TO A NEWLY-INITIATED BROTHER. Article 11
PENCILLINGS EROM THE SKETCH-BOOK OE A MADRAS OFFICER. Article 12
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 20
ANNIVERSARY OF A LODGE. Article 22
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 23
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 36
METE0P0LITAN. Article 50
PROVINCIAL. Article 54
ROYAL ARCH. Article 72
THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED KITE. Article 74
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 74
MAKE MASONRY. Article 75
SCOTLAND. Article 75
COLONIAL. Article 77
INDIA. Article 79
AMERICA. Article 80
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR OCTOBER. Article 82
OBITUARY. Article 83
NOTICE. Article 84
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The Masonic Mirror.

not had sufficient notice it is their own fault , in not being here on the last occasion . If there are only to be four Quarterly Communications , some of the Brethren will come here to speak against time , and others throw over all measures which are objectionable to them . I have no hesitation in saying that some of us feel that we are thus thrown over by long speeches and letters which are read . ( Hear , hear . ) There are some of us who have had motions

on the paper three , six , nine , and even twelve months , dropping from time to time , and never coming on for discussion . I hold , M . W . Sir , that wherever there is a power of discussion , there is a power of adjournment . ( Hear , hear . ) We have not presumed to think of bringing forward new business . We are only meeting to do the business left undone at the last Grand Lodge . As for the argument of going on till twelve or one o ' clock , it is not likely that we will consent to sit to that hour , and then be told that all business distasteful to the Grand Officers must be thrown over . ¦* It was because no new business

could come on after eleven o ' clock , that we adjourned Grand Lodge at half-past ten —( hear , hear )—so that the motions of the independent Brethren should not be entirely shelved . ( Hear , hear . ) We adjourned in order to go regularly through the business upon the programme . I think it would be a stultification of our own acts not to go on with the business with such a full Grand Lodge as we see now before us . " ( Hear , hear . )

The Eev . Bro . Portal : " This question is a matter of order . It is not advisable to enter into the merits of the case as the Brother who has just sat down has done . There is no mention of an adjournment in the Book of Constitutions . We admit that . The Grand Master has the power to call a special Grand Lodge for a special reason , to be stated in the summons . We admit that . But all this has nothing to do with the question of adjournment . The Book of Constitutions being silent , I take it the Grand Lodge has power to adjourn if necessary . ( Hear , hear . ) There is a rule to take no fresh business after eleven

o ' clock , and the B . W . Brother on your left held that it was impossible for us to adjourn for the purpose of taking that business on some future occasion . That is a conclusion which I deny . I hold that Grand Lodge has the power to adjourn , and that power will not be abused , because unless great interest is felt in a question you will not get Grand Lodge to agree to an adjournment , but the business will be allowed to stand over to the next regular Grand Lodge . The M . W . Grand Master , on the last occasion , declared Grand Lodge adjourned ; the M . W . Grand Master , on the present occasion , declared the Grand Lodge to

be opened in due form ; I therefore now move that the business be proceeded with . " ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Havers said , hehadtaken a deep interest in the proceedings of GrandLodge , and he claimed to have as deep an interest in putting these little shortcomings to rights as anybody . He knew that Grand Lodge would give him credit for being

perfectly independent . He was eager to set those matters right , but be would not do a greater wrong ( i . e . by adjourning Grand Lodge ) , in order to accomplish that object . ( Oh !) He would assure the Brethren that whatever fell from any of them he would listen to with the greatest care ; and it would not be right to stop him by cries of cc Oh , oh ! " He had known Grand Lodge from the period of the union up to that moment ; but he had never known an adjourned Grand Lodge . He would refer them to the Book of Constitutions , page 21 , section x ., which was

as follows : — " The Grand Master , in his absence the pro Grand Master , in his absence the Deputy Grand Master , or in his absence the Grand Wardens , may summon and hold Grand Lodges of Emergency whenever the good of the Craft shall , in their opinion , require it ; the particular reason for convening such Lodge of Emergency shall be expressed in the summons , and no other business shall be entered upon at that meeting . "

He was as anxious as any of them could be to go into those matters , and it was important professional business in Germany which prevented his being present upon the previous occasion , and he could only regret that some one of the numerous Brethren who were present on that previous occasion , and who must have known the

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