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The Masonic Mirror.

the M . W . the Grand Master consisted of two parts ; the one referred to money matters , and the dther to the Prov . Grand Masters . He wished to call the attention of Grand Lodge to one of these questions , and to raise a discussion upon it . The Grand Master : Any communication of this kind from the Grand Master is placed before Grand Lodge as a matter of course , and the alterations therein proposed to be made will now be put as substantive motions .

Bro . the Eev . G . E . Portal said , that what the Earl of Carnarvon wanted to know was , whether Grand Lodge would have an opportunity of expressing an opinion upon that portion of the Grand Master ' s communication which was not referred to in the resolutions about to be submitted . The Grand Master : I am only here to control the order of your proceedings .

The Grand Master has stated his views ; as a matter of course , they will be recorded as a portion of our proceedings . On that subject we can have no discussion . I have had the honour now of belonging to this Grand Lodge thirty-five years , and till the last three years I have regularly attended . This has always been our rule There has never been a discussion on the communication of the Grand Master .

Bro . White , the Grand Secretary , then proposed a series of resolutions , the object of which was to give effect to the propositions by the M . W . the Grand Master , as set forth in the statement read . Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon said : I have listened with deep attention to the specific motion which has been formulated out of the communication of the M . W . the Grand Master . I shall be happy to vote for it , provided always that we have

subsequently a vote taken upon the other part of it , which relates to the Prov . Grand Masters . ( Hear , hear . ) I concur in what I will call the money clauses—all those which relate to alterations to be made in the Book of Constitutions ; but I shall feel it my duty to lay before the Grand Lodge my serious objections to that part of the propositions which relates to the Prov . Grand Masters . I ask therefore if we shall take a second motion on the communication as a whole , as to whether or not it shall be entered on the minutes ?

The Grand Master : Any communication from the Grand Master must be recorded upon your minutes . That has always been the course hitherto pursued . The Eev . Bro . Portal called the attention of the chair to the fact that the Grand Master " recommended and submitted" his statement "to the consideration and

decision of Grand Lodge . " These were the Grand Master ' s own words . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) Yet they were told by the representative of the Grand Master on the present occasion , that they were not to be allowed to consider and decide . ( Hear , hear . )

The Grand Master : We are not discussing what shall be done with respect to the Prov . Grand Master question ; that subject is not before us in the substantive motion which has been put . The Earl of Carnarvon : I am compelled then to raise the discussion in a manner in which I did not desire to do it , sooner than permit the subject to pass away unnoticed and without discussion . Col . Burlton here rose amidst loud cries of " Carnarvon ! Carnarvon ! " and said

that a higher authority than the Grand Master , viz . the Grand Lodge itself , had appointed a committee for the express purpose of inquiring into the expediency of forming a body to whom all letters and correspondence relative to colonial matters should be submitted for consideration . That committee assembled several times , and had made its report , which should have been communicated to Grand Lodge in June last . Great discontent prevailed on the subject , and he thought that report ought certainly to be read before any resolution on the question was

agreed to by Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) He wished the Brethren to recollect that the Colonial Lodges were not so much dissatisfied with the 7 s . 6 d ., or even with the returns they were called upon to make ; what they were justly indignant about was , that they received no replies whatever to their complaints and communications . ( Hear , hear . ) Petitions remained unnoticed for years and years . ( Hear , hear ! and cries of " Shame ! " ) Some had gone unnoticed for ten years to his knowledge . (" Shame / shame I ) It was to remedy this state of things that

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MASONIC PHILOSOPHY. Article 1
COMMON DESCENT OF OUR RACE. Article 9
PENCILLINGS FROM THE SKETCH-BOOK OF A MADRAS OFFICER. Article 10
AN INCIDENT. Article 22
THE NOAH'S ARK. Article 23
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 24
FINE ARTS. Article 25
CAUTIOUS SECRECY. Article 25
THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND THE CRAFT. Article 26
THE GRAND MASTER OF WORCESTERSHIRE AND THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE. Article 27
VISIT OF THE FEMALE CHILDREN TO THE CRYSTAL PALACE. Article 28
MYSTERY. Article 28
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 29
METROPOLITAN. Article 37
PROVINCIAL. Article 38
WORCESTERSHIRE. Article 57
ROYAL ARCH. Article 58
MARK MASONRY. Article 60
SCOTLAND, Article 60
IRELAND. Article 65
INDIA. Article 65
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR SEPTEMBER. Article 68
Obituary. Article 71
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The Masonic Mirror.

the M . W . the Grand Master consisted of two parts ; the one referred to money matters , and the dther to the Prov . Grand Masters . He wished to call the attention of Grand Lodge to one of these questions , and to raise a discussion upon it . The Grand Master : Any communication of this kind from the Grand Master is placed before Grand Lodge as a matter of course , and the alterations therein proposed to be made will now be put as substantive motions .

Bro . the Eev . G . E . Portal said , that what the Earl of Carnarvon wanted to know was , whether Grand Lodge would have an opportunity of expressing an opinion upon that portion of the Grand Master ' s communication which was not referred to in the resolutions about to be submitted . The Grand Master : I am only here to control the order of your proceedings .

The Grand Master has stated his views ; as a matter of course , they will be recorded as a portion of our proceedings . On that subject we can have no discussion . I have had the honour now of belonging to this Grand Lodge thirty-five years , and till the last three years I have regularly attended . This has always been our rule There has never been a discussion on the communication of the Grand Master .

Bro . White , the Grand Secretary , then proposed a series of resolutions , the object of which was to give effect to the propositions by the M . W . the Grand Master , as set forth in the statement read . Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon said : I have listened with deep attention to the specific motion which has been formulated out of the communication of the M . W . the Grand Master . I shall be happy to vote for it , provided always that we have

subsequently a vote taken upon the other part of it , which relates to the Prov . Grand Masters . ( Hear , hear . ) I concur in what I will call the money clauses—all those which relate to alterations to be made in the Book of Constitutions ; but I shall feel it my duty to lay before the Grand Lodge my serious objections to that part of the propositions which relates to the Prov . Grand Masters . I ask therefore if we shall take a second motion on the communication as a whole , as to whether or not it shall be entered on the minutes ?

The Grand Master : Any communication from the Grand Master must be recorded upon your minutes . That has always been the course hitherto pursued . The Eev . Bro . Portal called the attention of the chair to the fact that the Grand Master " recommended and submitted" his statement "to the consideration and

decision of Grand Lodge . " These were the Grand Master ' s own words . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) Yet they were told by the representative of the Grand Master on the present occasion , that they were not to be allowed to consider and decide . ( Hear , hear . )

The Grand Master : We are not discussing what shall be done with respect to the Prov . Grand Master question ; that subject is not before us in the substantive motion which has been put . The Earl of Carnarvon : I am compelled then to raise the discussion in a manner in which I did not desire to do it , sooner than permit the subject to pass away unnoticed and without discussion . Col . Burlton here rose amidst loud cries of " Carnarvon ! Carnarvon ! " and said

that a higher authority than the Grand Master , viz . the Grand Lodge itself , had appointed a committee for the express purpose of inquiring into the expediency of forming a body to whom all letters and correspondence relative to colonial matters should be submitted for consideration . That committee assembled several times , and had made its report , which should have been communicated to Grand Lodge in June last . Great discontent prevailed on the subject , and he thought that report ought certainly to be read before any resolution on the question was

agreed to by Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) He wished the Brethren to recollect that the Colonial Lodges were not so much dissatisfied with the 7 s . 6 d ., or even with the returns they were called upon to make ; what they were justly indignant about was , that they received no replies whatever to their complaints and communications . ( Hear , hear . ) Petitions remained unnoticed for years and years . ( Hear , hear ! and cries of " Shame ! " ) Some had gone unnoticed for ten years to his knowledge . (" Shame / shame I ) It was to remedy this state of things that

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