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The Comparative Age Of Our Masonic Mss.

" Pars oculi , " or an ancient Latin poem , or one in Norman-French . In my bumble op inion , pace Bro . Norton , we shall yet obtain further evidence as to tbe great antiquity of the Masonic Poem . Since writing tbe above I have seen

Bro . Norton ' s remarks , in tbe "Canadian Masonic News " for March , with respect to the "Haliwell Poem and the Statutes . " I do not see that he at all strengthens bis position ; on the contrary , I think be weakens it by the very facts that be

adduces . I have already shown that in 1350 , the 25 th of Edw . III ., cap . xviii . the lords could seize their " villeins " wherever they found them , and notwithstanding a writ of "libertate probanda" had been served out , In 1385 , Oth Richard IL , cap . ii ., tbe lords were entitled to seize their " villeins , " even pleading enfranchisement in enfranchised towns . But

how does this help Bro . Norton ? If Ms argument be correct—that tbe 12 th , 13 th , 15 th points in tbe poem refer to tbe statutes of labourers , or rather to a meeting of justices of the peace , he forgets that these statutes of labourers are of very

earl y origin . Tbe first that I can find is tbe 23 rd Edw . III ., 1349 , when , by cap . i ., all persons under 60 " not having to live on " shall be bound to Avork for those who

require their services , or be committed to gaol . Cap . ii . If a workman or servant depart from service before tbe time agreed upon , be shall be imprisoned . Cap . v . If any artificer takes more Avages than Avere Avont to be paid , to be committed to

prison . Tbe Avages of artificers seem to have been first fixed 25 th Edw . TIL , cap . iii . 1356 , and artificers were also by cap . v . SAVorn to use their Crafts as they did in the 20 th year of Edw . hi ., 1345 . By cap . viii . justices at quarter sessions are

empowered to commit servants fleeing from one county to another , and probably to control artificers and labourers . In tbe 24 th of Edward III ., 1360 , cap . ix ., tbe Avages of masons and carpenters , and in what manner they shall serve , are again fixed

, but I cannot find the Act of 1356 , alluded to by Bro . Norton , neither does the Parliament appear to have met that year , but only in tbe 31 st year of Edward III ., 1357 . My edition of tbe Statutes isKeble ' s , 2 vols , folio , 1695 . By tbe 36 th Edward III ., 1362 , cap . xii ., the

The Comparative Age Of Our Masonic Mss.

Commission of Justices and of Labourers Avas to be conterminous and meet quarterly , and no doubt the Justices in Quarter Sessions bad at a very early period g iven poAA'er to them to interfere with the prices of labour fixed by tbe General Assembly

of tbe operative masons . So I quite agree Avith Bro . Fort , that from the general phraseology of tbe Act of Henry VI ., 3 Henry VI ., 1424 , cap . i ., the argument for the annual meeting of the masons in their own " chapiters" is

unanswerable , and it constitutes , in fact , the best reply to Bro . Norton . " En leur generalz cbapitres assemblez" is a most distinct admission that , despite Bro .

Norton ' s " gloss , " the masons did make " yearlycongregations and confederacies , " if even the Englished Statutes left any doubt on tbe subject .. I repeat , therefore , that in my bumble opinion if Bro . Norton ' s argument of internal evidence is good for

anything at all , it proves the earlier instead of tbe later date , Avbieb , for some reason , he seeks to establish of the Masonic Poem , and that tbe very statutes themselves constitute tbe most convincing reply to tbe fallacy of bis contention , as to the real age of that most interesting and valuable document .

Notes On The Old Minute Books Of The British Union Lodge, No. 114, Ipswich. A.D. 1762.

NOTES ON THE OLD MINUTE BOOKS OF THE BRITISH UNION LODGE , No . 114 , IPSWICH . A . D . 1762 .

BY BRO . EM 1 U HOLMES , 31 ° , P . M ., M . E . Z .. St . Lnke's Chapter , P . M . M ., P . E . C ., P . E . P . ' , P . M . W . S ., Past Provincial Grand Registrar of Suffolk , Past Grand Inspector of Works ( Mark ) , Past Grand Provost Order of the Temtle , P . P . G ., Banner-Bearer

Royal Order of Scotland , & c , & c . ( Continued from page 277 . ) THE second Minute Book of this old Lodge commences 1779 , with a cash accountand disbursements on the 27 th Dec , St .

John ' s day—from wbicb it appears that the banquet was at the expense of the Lodge ; a very bad custom , and one it would be well not to see imitated—though we fear , amongst the London Lodges it is in many cases the rule , and not the exception , that the brethren dine at the 2 H 2

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Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 1
THE COMPARATIVE AGE OF OUR MASONIC MSS. Article 2
NOTES ON THE OLD MINUTE BOOKS OF THE BRITISH UNION LODGE, No. 114, IPSWICH. A.D. 1762. Article 3
I AM WILLING TO BE TRIED AGAIN. Article 7
EXTRACTS FROM THE MINUTE BOOKS OF THE ROYAL ARCH CHAPTER OF PARADISE, No. 139. Article 7
THE WOMEN OF OUR TIME. Article 13
CONTEMPORARY LETTERS ON THE FRENCH REVOLUTION. Article 16
ONLY A CHRISTMAS ROSE. Article 19
THE OLD FOLKS' PARTY. Article 20
HOLIDAY MASONS. Article 25
FAIRY TALES UTILISED FOR THE NEW GENERATION. Article 26
LIGHTS AND SHADOWS OF SCOTTISH FREEMASONRY. Article 29
SONNET. Article 31
DERIVATION OF THE WORD " MASON." Article 32
GODEREY HIGGINS ON FREEMASONRY. Article 34
AN HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF MASTER AND FREE MASONS. Article 37
ON HER MAJESTY'S BIRTHDAY , MAY , 1876. Article 43
THE ORIGIN AND REFERENCES OF THE HERMESIAN SPURIOUS FREEMASONRY. Article 44
CATHERINE OF ARRAGON, Article 45
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE AND ART. Article 46
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The Comparative Age Of Our Masonic Mss.

" Pars oculi , " or an ancient Latin poem , or one in Norman-French . In my bumble op inion , pace Bro . Norton , we shall yet obtain further evidence as to tbe great antiquity of the Masonic Poem . Since writing tbe above I have seen

Bro . Norton ' s remarks , in tbe "Canadian Masonic News " for March , with respect to the "Haliwell Poem and the Statutes . " I do not see that he at all strengthens bis position ; on the contrary , I think be weakens it by the very facts that be

adduces . I have already shown that in 1350 , the 25 th of Edw . III ., cap . xviii . the lords could seize their " villeins " wherever they found them , and notwithstanding a writ of "libertate probanda" had been served out , In 1385 , Oth Richard IL , cap . ii ., tbe lords were entitled to seize their " villeins , " even pleading enfranchisement in enfranchised towns . But

how does this help Bro . Norton ? If Ms argument be correct—that tbe 12 th , 13 th , 15 th points in tbe poem refer to tbe statutes of labourers , or rather to a meeting of justices of the peace , he forgets that these statutes of labourers are of very

earl y origin . Tbe first that I can find is tbe 23 rd Edw . III ., 1349 , when , by cap . i ., all persons under 60 " not having to live on " shall be bound to Avork for those who

require their services , or be committed to gaol . Cap . ii . If a workman or servant depart from service before tbe time agreed upon , be shall be imprisoned . Cap . v . If any artificer takes more Avages than Avere Avont to be paid , to be committed to

prison . Tbe Avages of artificers seem to have been first fixed 25 th Edw . TIL , cap . iii . 1356 , and artificers were also by cap . v . SAVorn to use their Crafts as they did in the 20 th year of Edw . hi ., 1345 . By cap . viii . justices at quarter sessions are

empowered to commit servants fleeing from one county to another , and probably to control artificers and labourers . In tbe 24 th of Edward III ., 1360 , cap . ix ., tbe Avages of masons and carpenters , and in what manner they shall serve , are again fixed

, but I cannot find the Act of 1356 , alluded to by Bro . Norton , neither does the Parliament appear to have met that year , but only in tbe 31 st year of Edward III ., 1357 . My edition of tbe Statutes isKeble ' s , 2 vols , folio , 1695 . By tbe 36 th Edward III ., 1362 , cap . xii ., the

The Comparative Age Of Our Masonic Mss.

Commission of Justices and of Labourers Avas to be conterminous and meet quarterly , and no doubt the Justices in Quarter Sessions bad at a very early period g iven poAA'er to them to interfere with the prices of labour fixed by tbe General Assembly

of tbe operative masons . So I quite agree Avith Bro . Fort , that from the general phraseology of tbe Act of Henry VI ., 3 Henry VI ., 1424 , cap . i ., the argument for the annual meeting of the masons in their own " chapiters" is

unanswerable , and it constitutes , in fact , the best reply to Bro . Norton . " En leur generalz cbapitres assemblez" is a most distinct admission that , despite Bro .

Norton ' s " gloss , " the masons did make " yearlycongregations and confederacies , " if even the Englished Statutes left any doubt on tbe subject .. I repeat , therefore , that in my bumble opinion if Bro . Norton ' s argument of internal evidence is good for

anything at all , it proves the earlier instead of tbe later date , Avbieb , for some reason , he seeks to establish of the Masonic Poem , and that tbe very statutes themselves constitute tbe most convincing reply to tbe fallacy of bis contention , as to the real age of that most interesting and valuable document .

Notes On The Old Minute Books Of The British Union Lodge, No. 114, Ipswich. A.D. 1762.

NOTES ON THE OLD MINUTE BOOKS OF THE BRITISH UNION LODGE , No . 114 , IPSWICH . A . D . 1762 .

BY BRO . EM 1 U HOLMES , 31 ° , P . M ., M . E . Z .. St . Lnke's Chapter , P . M . M ., P . E . C ., P . E . P . ' , P . M . W . S ., Past Provincial Grand Registrar of Suffolk , Past Grand Inspector of Works ( Mark ) , Past Grand Provost Order of the Temtle , P . P . G ., Banner-Bearer

Royal Order of Scotland , & c , & c . ( Continued from page 277 . ) THE second Minute Book of this old Lodge commences 1779 , with a cash accountand disbursements on the 27 th Dec , St .

John ' s day—from wbicb it appears that the banquet was at the expense of the Lodge ; a very bad custom , and one it would be well not to see imitated—though we fear , amongst the London Lodges it is in many cases the rule , and not the exception , that the brethren dine at the 2 H 2

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