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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of our Cor . respondents . All Letters must hear the name and address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .

REPORTING MASONIC MEETINGS . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND B ROTHER , —I have often wondered why it is that certain brethren object to a fair , simplo , and legitimate report of the proceedings of Lodge meetings , and although I havo asked for reasons I have never been able to get convincing answers . I know

that in a certain Lodge with which I am acquainted there aro two or three members who fill situations , the duties of which seom to clash with tho offices they hold in the Lodgo , and thereforo object to the publication of their names , it is not the mere record they object to , but the inference that is likely to be drawn from tho fact

that tho Lodge meets at five or half-past , a poriod of the day when perhaps their duties as employes aro not ended . The brethren I refor to do not attend at the opening of tho Lodge , except on special occasions . Prom my personal knowlodge of thorn I am sure thoy would not forfeit their good names as worthy brethren by neglecting

their duties as citizens , yet the fact remains that they would be liable to a false construction being put upon thoir actions by a due record , without tho addition of an interpreting clause , and this cannot be given without recording tho tirna of arrival afc tho Lodgo of each member , a thing impossible and absurd .

Then thero is tho ca 3 e of the brother who miy happen to ba Secretary , whose employers might object to his filling other offices which might dotain hi in late at night , and so unfit him for work on the following day . IIow far the casc 3 I havo named influence the brethren I do not know , thoy are the only practical answers I

have ever met with against the reporting of Lodgo meetings . Tho objections referred to wero overcome by leaving out the names of the brethren concerned , a very easy and simplo roraedy . Those , however , who are against all publication , except by authority , are either martinets or the victims of unnecessary fear . Sot a beggar

on horseback and ho will ride to tho devil ; put some soldior-3 in a Masonic office and they will excommunicato all who dare to do anything that ba 3 not received licence from or through them . Liko the Pharisees of old , they are sticklers for discipline , but wanto . is in Bpirit . They aro jealous of their office , and construo actions into

offences in tho spirit of tyrants . I havo known two instances in my own Masonic career where a choleric and pedantic soldier , aided by a servile follower , exhibited all the narrow-mindedness of bigots . These brethren were enemies to Lodge reports being published ,

except under circumstances they could either command or infiuenco . I may add that tho Province to which thoy belong is not noted either for its charity or courtesy . In tho foregoing I havo merely referred to what has como under my own notice , the larger question I Ieavo to other aud abler bauds . Yours fraternally , QUEX .

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Norfolk.

PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE OF NORFOLK .

To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Hitherto Norfolk has not figured prominently in the charitable movements connected with the Craft . T . wa 3 pleased , therefore , to find that a scheme was set on foot at tho recent annual meeting of the Provincial Grand

Lodge held at Lynn , for methodically organising subscriptions in aid of tho Schools iu connection with the Order . Without entering into the merits of the proposed plan I may say that if carried out with anything like spirit it cannot fail to improve the charitable status of the Province and the Institutions concerned .

What I fear is that petty jealousies may retard the operation of the scheme , and that a litigious spirit—the curse of Norfolk—may mar the hopes that may be raised . Time will tell . I hope it will be on the side of charity , and not in favour of that egotism and selfish clanuisbness which disfigures so much that is good amongst Norfolk Masons .

In referring to what is recorded with regard to tho doings of the Prov . G . Lodge , lam reminded of the omissions . I presume a banqnot followed labour ; indeed you say so in nine words , and that ia all we know abont it . Nothing is said abont service at church . I interpret your silence to mean that on this occasion the practice adopted when

tho Grand Lodge met at Norwich had been departed from . If that were so , I am sorry for it , for I believe the service did much sood in ways that cannot be discussed here , but which most of the Norfolk brethren well understand . Now , Sir , although you are silent about the banquet , I have reason

to believe that you and others were treated with scant courtesy ou that occasion . 1 hear from good authority that the management of tho whole affair was not a success , that brethren who came from a long distance , who had taken every precaution , were unable to be present at the banquet . It was only with difficulty that they could

obtain admission to the proceedings of Gtand Lodge . Under these circumstances I can well understand why you gave no account of the banquet . I know when Grand Lodge met at Norwich there was

no difficulty about banquet tickets . Why change tho tactics at Lynn I am unable to discover , unless the reason is toon sought in the presence of the Most Worshipful Grand Master his Royal Highness the-Prince of Wales . It may be , ua you auv , that a largov number was

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Norfolk.

present than was expected . I can hardly accept such an explanation . The Province may be largo in extent , but the number of Lodges is not great—something like sixteen or seventeen I believe . There is only ono Lodge in the town in which tho annual meeting of Prov . G . Lodge was held , and as only two hundred and thirty guests

sat down to tho banquet , I am at a loss to conceive how it was that any failnro occurred . No doubt the announcement that the Most Worshipful Grand Master would be present attracted a good many brethren , but that was all tho more reason why ample provision should have boon made . I fear much soreness will arise onfc of this

break-down ; I am sure somo of the brethren will have formed a very bad opinion of the Norfolk Masons , and will not trust to their courtesy a second time . Tho whole mischief is to be attributed to a narrow clique , who monopolise all power , and whose estimate of

themselves is abovo the appraisement of ordinary mortals . I am sure tho Norfolk brethren would disclaim all desire to be discourteous , but others , in their name , have , I fear , done some damage to thoir fair fame . I am , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , WATCHMAN .

The Cliftonville Hotel, Margate.

THE CLIFTONVILLE HOTEL , MARGATE .

rjMfJERE i ? , OT nsod to be , a -goneral opinion abroad that Margate , * - by reason of tho loud and pretentious peoplo who frequent it , is not among the most desirable of our pleasure resorts , and that , for somo vagno roason we have never clearly beon able to understand , its climate is not so favourablo to health as we shonld wish it to be . That owing to its easy access from London a verv mixed class of

visitors should find their way thither ia very natural , but of lata years , at all events , the town has grown considerably , and with Cliftonville on ono side , and Wostgate on tho other , thero is now ample accommodation for the quietest and most exigent of holiday seekers . Then tho very fact of a largo and important infirmary for

scrofulous patients having beon established for years in close proximity to the harbour is undoniablo evidence ia favour of its being a healthful place , even had it not been again and again shown by tho most acceptable medical authority that , so far from its boing nnhcalthy , thcro aro few spots whero hard-working people whose

systom needs renovating from time to time , or thoso who arc constitutionally feeble , are more likely to regain or acqniro tone or strength than Margate . Even the opinion which has found favour with many people that Margate is cold and windy during the winter months is known to bo based on erroneous calculations , tho effect of

the cold winds to which it is opeu from the north and oast being very materially lessened by tho son , the temperature of which is considerably higher than that of tho land . In fact , Margate stands high in favour with the medical profession , and is yearly becoming moro and more tbe resort of invalids . In theso circumstances wo

may bo excused for drawing attention to tho great improvements which have latterly bceu effected in the Cliftonville Ilotcl , which is now under new proprietorship and new management . This hotel , which is admirably situated in extensive grounds of its own , of about three acres , and sotno 150 feet above tho sea-level , has always stood

well in public estimation , but under the personal control of Mr . Lewis Jefferies , tho resident managing director , the Cliftonvillo must be looked upon as ono of tho lions of the place , to say nothing of its position being outside the limits frequented by the less attractive class of excursionists . Everything has been done to bring tho hotol

into admirable trim . Not only has it been enlarged and improved , but it has also been almost entirely refurnished and redecorated , so that it is no exaggeration to suggest that , as regards size , comfort , and appearance it , will com . pare favourably with other houses of tho same class at our

seaside resorts . But in order to render it available to persons of more modest means the management hayo adopted the excellent plan of making , where desired , a fixed charge per person for the accommodation usually required . That is to say , a customer pays half a-gninca per day—from the 1 st of October to the 30 th of June , that

is , for nine months out of the twelve—aud in return ho receives fall board and attendance , is assigned a bedroom for which the ordinary charge is 3 s a night , and is permitted free acca ? s to all the public rooms in the hotel , namely , the splendid dining-room—90 feet by 40 feet—tho coffee , drawing , reading aud writing , smoking and

billiard rooms , & c , all of which face the sea and are luxuriously furnished as well as most comfortably appointed . Tho adoption of th 13 plan deserves to be made generally known . It reflects great credit on tho managerial qualities of tho new proprietary body ,

and , having regard to the admirable and healty situation of tho hotol , deserves a liberal return of patronago on the part of the public . Tho Cliftonville , under its present management , and with the character it has already secured for comfort , and even tho luxury of its appointments , may confidently be recommended to all classos of visitors .

Mr . J . H . Cobbe ( tho obliging acting Manager ) announces that Ids First Annual Benefit will take place at fclio Princess ' s Theatre on Sat a relay morning , 21 st February , afc 1 * 30 , wheu " Hamlofc " will bo performed .

lloLtow . iv ' s Oi . vcsrn . VT . v . vi ) J'ir . r . s combine both sanitivc and sanative powers in u high fle ^ von -by the former term is understood their ability to preserve health , by tho latter their capability to restore health . With these remedies : it hand , no invalid need 1 ) 3 at fault to guide himself or herself safely throngh the many trials to which every one is subjected during our long and

otttimes movement winter .,. Coughseold- ' , ulcerated UirocU , quinsies , whooping cough , can bo sucec-sfuUy treated by well nibbing this Ointment upon the chest , find by taking the I'ills . During damp , foggy weather iisthmaticiil sill ' - IVi-crs will experience the utmost posdblo relief i ' rom the inunction of the Ointment , aud all tender-cheated persons will save uudlcs . ; misery by adopting this treatment .

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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

We do not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of our Cor . respondents . All Letters must hear the name and address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .

REPORTING MASONIC MEETINGS . To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND B ROTHER , —I have often wondered why it is that certain brethren object to a fair , simplo , and legitimate report of the proceedings of Lodge meetings , and although I havo asked for reasons I have never been able to get convincing answers . I know

that in a certain Lodge with which I am acquainted there aro two or three members who fill situations , the duties of which seom to clash with tho offices they hold in the Lodgo , and thereforo object to the publication of their names , it is not the mere record they object to , but the inference that is likely to be drawn from tho fact

that tho Lodge meets at five or half-past , a poriod of the day when perhaps their duties as employes aro not ended . The brethren I refor to do not attend at the opening of tho Lodge , except on special occasions . Prom my personal knowlodge of thorn I am sure thoy would not forfeit their good names as worthy brethren by neglecting

their duties as citizens , yet the fact remains that they would be liable to a false construction being put upon thoir actions by a due record , without tho addition of an interpreting clause , and this cannot be given without recording tho tirna of arrival afc tho Lodgo of each member , a thing impossible and absurd .

Then thero is tho ca 3 e of the brother who miy happen to ba Secretary , whose employers might object to his filling other offices which might dotain hi in late at night , and so unfit him for work on the following day . IIow far the casc 3 I havo named influence the brethren I do not know , thoy are the only practical answers I

have ever met with against the reporting of Lodgo meetings . Tho objections referred to wero overcome by leaving out the names of the brethren concerned , a very easy and simplo roraedy . Those , however , who are against all publication , except by authority , are either martinets or the victims of unnecessary fear . Sot a beggar

on horseback and ho will ride to tho devil ; put some soldior-3 in a Masonic office and they will excommunicato all who dare to do anything that ba 3 not received licence from or through them . Liko the Pharisees of old , they are sticklers for discipline , but wanto . is in Bpirit . They aro jealous of their office , and construo actions into

offences in tho spirit of tyrants . I havo known two instances in my own Masonic career where a choleric and pedantic soldier , aided by a servile follower , exhibited all the narrow-mindedness of bigots . These brethren were enemies to Lodge reports being published ,

except under circumstances they could either command or infiuenco . I may add that tho Province to which thoy belong is not noted either for its charity or courtesy . In tho foregoing I havo merely referred to what has como under my own notice , the larger question I Ieavo to other aud abler bauds . Yours fraternally , QUEX .

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Norfolk.

PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE OF NORFOLK .

To the Editor of the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Hitherto Norfolk has not figured prominently in the charitable movements connected with the Craft . T . wa 3 pleased , therefore , to find that a scheme was set on foot at tho recent annual meeting of the Provincial Grand

Lodge held at Lynn , for methodically organising subscriptions in aid of tho Schools iu connection with the Order . Without entering into the merits of the proposed plan I may say that if carried out with anything like spirit it cannot fail to improve the charitable status of the Province and the Institutions concerned .

What I fear is that petty jealousies may retard the operation of the scheme , and that a litigious spirit—the curse of Norfolk—may mar the hopes that may be raised . Time will tell . I hope it will be on the side of charity , and not in favour of that egotism and selfish clanuisbness which disfigures so much that is good amongst Norfolk Masons .

In referring to what is recorded with regard to tho doings of the Prov . G . Lodge , lam reminded of the omissions . I presume a banqnot followed labour ; indeed you say so in nine words , and that ia all we know abont it . Nothing is said abont service at church . I interpret your silence to mean that on this occasion the practice adopted when

tho Grand Lodge met at Norwich had been departed from . If that were so , I am sorry for it , for I believe the service did much sood in ways that cannot be discussed here , but which most of the Norfolk brethren well understand . Now , Sir , although you are silent about the banquet , I have reason

to believe that you and others were treated with scant courtesy ou that occasion . 1 hear from good authority that the management of tho whole affair was not a success , that brethren who came from a long distance , who had taken every precaution , were unable to be present at the banquet . It was only with difficulty that they could

obtain admission to the proceedings of Gtand Lodge . Under these circumstances I can well understand why you gave no account of the banquet . I know when Grand Lodge met at Norwich there was

no difficulty about banquet tickets . Why change tho tactics at Lynn I am unable to discover , unless the reason is toon sought in the presence of the Most Worshipful Grand Master his Royal Highness the-Prince of Wales . It may be , ua you auv , that a largov number was

Provincial Grand Lodge Of Norfolk.

present than was expected . I can hardly accept such an explanation . The Province may be largo in extent , but the number of Lodges is not great—something like sixteen or seventeen I believe . There is only ono Lodge in the town in which tho annual meeting of Prov . G . Lodge was held , and as only two hundred and thirty guests

sat down to tho banquet , I am at a loss to conceive how it was that any failnro occurred . No doubt the announcement that the Most Worshipful Grand Master would be present attracted a good many brethren , but that was all tho more reason why ample provision should have boon made . I fear much soreness will arise onfc of this

break-down ; I am sure somo of the brethren will have formed a very bad opinion of the Norfolk Masons , and will not trust to their courtesy a second time . Tho whole mischief is to be attributed to a narrow clique , who monopolise all power , and whose estimate of

themselves is abovo the appraisement of ordinary mortals . I am sure tho Norfolk brethren would disclaim all desire to be discourteous , but others , in their name , have , I fear , done some damage to thoir fair fame . I am , Dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , WATCHMAN .

The Cliftonville Hotel, Margate.

THE CLIFTONVILLE HOTEL , MARGATE .

rjMfJERE i ? , OT nsod to be , a -goneral opinion abroad that Margate , * - by reason of tho loud and pretentious peoplo who frequent it , is not among the most desirable of our pleasure resorts , and that , for somo vagno roason we have never clearly beon able to understand , its climate is not so favourablo to health as we shonld wish it to be . That owing to its easy access from London a verv mixed class of

visitors should find their way thither ia very natural , but of lata years , at all events , the town has grown considerably , and with Cliftonville on ono side , and Wostgate on tho other , thero is now ample accommodation for the quietest and most exigent of holiday seekers . Then tho very fact of a largo and important infirmary for

scrofulous patients having beon established for years in close proximity to the harbour is undoniablo evidence ia favour of its being a healthful place , even had it not been again and again shown by tho most acceptable medical authority that , so far from its boing nnhcalthy , thcro aro few spots whero hard-working people whose

systom needs renovating from time to time , or thoso who arc constitutionally feeble , are more likely to regain or acqniro tone or strength than Margate . Even the opinion which has found favour with many people that Margate is cold and windy during the winter months is known to bo based on erroneous calculations , tho effect of

the cold winds to which it is opeu from the north and oast being very materially lessened by tho son , the temperature of which is considerably higher than that of tho land . In fact , Margate stands high in favour with the medical profession , and is yearly becoming moro and more tbe resort of invalids . In theso circumstances wo

may bo excused for drawing attention to tho great improvements which have latterly bceu effected in the Cliftonville Ilotcl , which is now under new proprietorship and new management . This hotel , which is admirably situated in extensive grounds of its own , of about three acres , and sotno 150 feet above tho sea-level , has always stood

well in public estimation , but under the personal control of Mr . Lewis Jefferies , tho resident managing director , the Cliftonvillo must be looked upon as ono of tho lions of the place , to say nothing of its position being outside the limits frequented by the less attractive class of excursionists . Everything has been done to bring tho hotol

into admirable trim . Not only has it been enlarged and improved , but it has also been almost entirely refurnished and redecorated , so that it is no exaggeration to suggest that , as regards size , comfort , and appearance it , will com . pare favourably with other houses of tho same class at our

seaside resorts . But in order to render it available to persons of more modest means the management hayo adopted the excellent plan of making , where desired , a fixed charge per person for the accommodation usually required . That is to say , a customer pays half a-gninca per day—from the 1 st of October to the 30 th of June , that

is , for nine months out of the twelve—aud in return ho receives fall board and attendance , is assigned a bedroom for which the ordinary charge is 3 s a night , and is permitted free acca ? s to all the public rooms in the hotel , namely , the splendid dining-room—90 feet by 40 feet—tho coffee , drawing , reading aud writing , smoking and

billiard rooms , & c , all of which face the sea and are luxuriously furnished as well as most comfortably appointed . Tho adoption of th 13 plan deserves to be made generally known . It reflects great credit on tho managerial qualities of tho new proprietary body ,

and , having regard to the admirable and healty situation of tho hotol , deserves a liberal return of patronago on the part of the public . Tho Cliftonville , under its present management , and with the character it has already secured for comfort , and even tho luxury of its appointments , may confidently be recommended to all classos of visitors .

Mr . J . H . Cobbe ( tho obliging acting Manager ) announces that Ids First Annual Benefit will take place at fclio Princess ' s Theatre on Sat a relay morning , 21 st February , afc 1 * 30 , wheu " Hamlofc " will bo performed .

lloLtow . iv ' s Oi . vcsrn . VT . v . vi ) J'ir . r . s combine both sanitivc and sanative powers in u high fle ^ von -by the former term is understood their ability to preserve health , by tho latter their capability to restore health . With these remedies : it hand , no invalid need 1 ) 3 at fault to guide himself or herself safely throngh the many trials to which every one is subjected during our long and

otttimes movement winter .,. Coughseold- ' , ulcerated UirocU , quinsies , whooping cough , can bo sucec-sfuUy treated by well nibbing this Ointment upon the chest , find by taking the I'ills . During damp , foggy weather iisthmaticiil sill ' - IVi-crs will experience the utmost posdblo relief i ' rom the inunction of the Ointment , aud all tender-cheated persons will save uudlcs . ; misery by adopting this treatment .

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